00:00:00 --- log: started forth/01.07.06
01:27:31 --- quit: notjunkd (Confucius say: Shit happens.)
06:20:09 * Trey has returned
07:03:32 --- join: grurp (grurp@pc19954.batc.tec.ut.us) joined #forth
07:44:30 --- quit: grurp (Bye all)
07:45:47 --- join: grurp (grurp@pc19954.batc.tec.ut.us) joined #forth
07:46:25 <Trey> Welcome, grurp.
07:49:14 <grurp> Hi
08:13:27 --- join: rob|reading (robost86@h3n1fls33o898.telia.com) joined #forth
08:14:06 * rob|reading wants to learn forth, so he can program his C128 with a more powerful lang than BASIC =)
08:14:51 * rob|reading is reading
08:14:56 --- quit: rob|reading ()
09:54:21 --- join: cleverdra (jfondren@1Cust59.tnt3.florence.sc.da.uu.net) joined #forth
09:54:21 --- mode: ChanServ set mode: +o cleverdra
09:54:27 --- mode: cleverdra set mode: +o grurp
09:55:10 --- topic: set to ': stars dup no to1 one - star to: (O) ;' by cleverdra
10:16:26 --- join: speuler (icafe@avocado.icafe.spacenet.de) joined #forth
10:16:58 <speuler> g'day
10:17:03 --- mode: cleverdra set mode: +o speuler
10:17:09 <cleverdra> hello speuler.
10:17:20 <speuler> u do forth ?
10:17:30 <cleverdra> Yeah =)
10:17:38 <speuler> nice
10:17:47 <cleverdra> That code in the topic is some H3sm.
10:18:20 <speuler> what is h3sm ?
10:19:01 <cleverdra> Hohensee's 3-stack machine.  It's a Forth-like programming language with a third 'pyte' stack, which are integers arbitrarily sized from 1 to 255 bytes.  It's not really workable, right now, but still interesting.
10:20:04 <speuler> sounds interesting. do you have any psc1000 xprience ?
10:20:37 <cleverdra> no, I'm afraid not.
10:21:32 <speuler> i'm considering getting me one, but know nobody with any hands-on xp
10:21:33 --- topic: set to ': count 0 [ here cell- dup pad ! ] dup 1+ literal ! ; : reset 0 [ pad @ ] literal ! ;' by cleverdra
10:21:46 * cleverdra nods.
10:21:51 <cleverdra> I don't even know what it is.
10:24:29 <speuler> a forth processor, marketed as java chip
10:24:47 <cleverdra> ah.
10:24:48 <speuler> patriot scientific
10:25:08 <cleverdra> I remember that.  I'm more interested in the F21.
10:26:42 <speuler> that's one i'm interested in to. actually tried to order one a while ago (or was it i21). well, one was available as evaluation kit, by ting, the other still under dev by jfox. i mean the ting-sold one
10:28:39 * cleverdra nods.
10:28:58 <speuler> process of ordering somehow didn't work out
10:29:06 <cleverdra> I think ting is the one selling kits in various state of completed assembling.
10:29:17 <cleverdra> What does that mean, speuler?
10:30:02 <speuler> first i didn't get through to somebody actually taking up the order. just mr tings dad, who couldn't sell or send me one
10:30:43 <speuler> then it seemed to be a problem of not being us-resident
10:31:08 <speuler> after a few phone calls, i dropped the idea
10:31:17 <cleverdra> Too bad.
10:31:44 <speuler> but postpones is not forgotten, as they say here
10:31:48 <speuler> postponed ...
10:32:14 <speuler> you code for food ?
10:32:52 <cleverdra> No.  HS student.
10:34:01 <speuler> how long have you been doing forth ?
10:35:01 <cleverdra> about a year, I think.  I'm not really sure when I started.  In the beginning I was still busy programming in other languages (like Ruby and Scheme and Perl and Ada and whatever else I got my hands on).  Those sort of faded away, though I still use Perl sometimes.
10:37:32 <speuler> i have to give a lecture on forth next week. 'bout 50 people expected. i'm quite shaky about it
10:38:21 <speuler> i'm not used to stand in front of an audience
10:38:39 <Trey> A lecture on Forth?  What will you talk about?
10:39:33 <speuler> probably the inner interpreter, and how you can add new word types by new run-time code the cfa points to
10:40:07 <cleverdra> new words types, like with CREATE DOES> ?
10:40:21 <speuler> such as a specialized next, to execute hi-level byte coded words
10:40:28 <Trey> Hmmm.  Inner interpreter gymnastics seems like a heavy topic for first-time Forthers.
10:40:36 <speuler> dobytecode
10:40:42 <cleverdra> oh.  int'resting.
10:40:56 <speuler> in a non-byte-code system
10:41:12 <speuler> it is going to be a heavy audience too
10:41:29 <cleverdra> Where is this?  Some kind of conference?  A FIG?
10:41:32 <speuler> i'm advertised as "top-class forth expert" :)
10:41:46 <Trey> speuler: lucky you ;-)
10:42:15 <speuler> when i read that, i was asking who was invited for that role :)
10:43:08 <speuler> when i was told it was me, i got even shakier about it ...
10:43:50 <Trey> "Never let them see you sweat."
10:44:19 <speuler> well, i try to see it as an opportunity to gain some speaker experience now.
10:44:29 <speuler> have to make the best from it
10:44:39 <speuler> and be positive
10:45:28 <Trey> Practice the presentation to an empty room.
10:45:42 <speuler> "two electrons come around the corner and bump into each other. 'are you all right' 'no i think i lost an electron' says the other
10:46:03 <speuler> 'are you sure' asks the first   'yes, i'm positive' replies the other
10:46:13 <cleverdra> ITYM "two atoms"
10:46:18 <Trey> Yep.
10:46:22 <cleverdra> With that, it's funny =)
10:46:22 <speuler> sure, atoms. 
10:46:34 <speuler> was giving away the pointe already
10:46:58 <speuler> was meaning to say atoms of course
10:47:05 * cleverdra nods.
10:47:14 <Trey> Lost in the translation from German to English, eh?
10:47:37 <speuler> was thinking about the end of the joke when i was starting to write ...
10:47:38 <cleverdra> Tell them how knowledge of the inner interpreter can lead to interesting coding, as in the topic.
10:48:12 <speuler> i'd like to make the presentation funny, to keep the audience 
10:48:13 <cleverdra> Is that a joke you're going to say in your speech?
10:48:21 <speuler> i don't think so.
10:48:27 <speuler> known too well
10:48:35 <cleverdra> A Forthy joke?
10:48:38 <speuler> and only works if you present it in english
10:48:53 <cleverdra> Oh, OK.
10:49:09 <speuler> the presentation is going to be in german
10:49:42 <speuler> i'm good at involuntary humour.
10:49:50 <speuler> maybe that suffices )
10:50:29 <speuler> hi trey
10:50:45 <speuler> i440r been around lately ?
10:52:03 <Trey> I haven't seen him in a day or so.
10:54:38 <speuler> could you tell him: "the projects looks good, and - with his permission - i'd like to pass his email addresst to my contact person - german not much of a problem" ?
10:55:37 <speuler> and also: "but there's a heavy oops factor"
10:55:59 <Trey> I will try, but we don't always find ourselves in channel at the same time.
10:56:13 <speuler> (about which i know he's not very much a fan of)
10:56:21 <Trey> Why don't you try his Email?
10:56:44 <speuler> indeed, i could do that. 
10:57:57 <speuler> if the outgoing server works (i'm at an internet cafe now, with flaky sendmail configuration)
10:58:37 <Trey> I've never seen an 'Net cafe, myself.
10:58:51 <cleverdra> I suppose that you could always try hotmail or something.
10:59:46 <Trey> Eeek.  I run my own mail server and DNS, so I don't have the need.
11:00:30 <cleverdra> I was talking to speuler, Trey =)
11:01:01 <Trey> I missed that :-)
11:01:14 <speuler> trey: so do i but it's 500 miles away
11:07:08 <speuler> my time is running out. i'll be gone soon. tnx 4 wasting u'r time on me :)
11:07:37 <cleverdra> Not a waste.  Bye for now.  Good luck in your speech!
11:07:53 <speuler> i'll check you folks out again when i'm around. 'd bye
11:08:31 <speuler> may the 4th b with u
11:09:14 --- part: speuler left #forth
11:30:37 --- quit: grurp (farmer.openprojects.net jordan.openprojects.net)
11:33:19 --- join: grurp (grurp@pc19954.batc.tec.ut.us) joined #forth
11:33:19 --- mode: simak.openprojects.net set mode: +o grurp
11:39:25 --- quit: nate37 (Ping timeout for nate37[cx83983-d.irvn1.occa.home.com])
11:44:11 --- join: nate37 (nate@cx83983-d.irvn1.occa.home.com) joined #forth
11:46:28 --- quit: grurp (farmer.openprojects.net pratchett.openprojects.net)
11:46:33 --- mode: cleverdra set mode: +o nate37
11:47:28 --- join: grurp (grurp@pc19954.batc.tec.ut.us) joined #forth
11:47:28 --- mode: pratchett.openprojects.net set mode: +o grurp
12:17:13 --- quit: cleverdra (Ping timeout for cleverdra[1Cust59.tnt3.florence.sc.da.uu.net])
12:28:26 --- quit: grurp (Read error to grurp[pc19954.batc.tec.ut.us]: EOF from client)
13:19:30 --- join: I440r (mark4@purplecoder.com) joined #forth
13:24:51 --- mode: Trey set mode: +o I440r
13:25:18 <Trey> [12:52] <speuler> i440r been around lately ?
13:25:19 <Trey> [12:53] <Trey> I haven't seen him in a day or so.
13:25:19 <Trey> [12:56] <speuler> could you tell him: "the projects looks good, and - with his permission - i'd like to pass his email addresst to my contact person - german not much of a problem" ?
13:25:19 <Trey> [12:57] <speuler> and also: "but there's a heavy oops factor"
13:27:46 <I440r> doh - oop is a fuckup every time
13:27:47 <I440r> :)
13:27:57 <I440r> but if u see him tell him to go ahead :)
13:28:17 <Trey> I suggested that he Email you, so you may get something later.
13:28:39 <I440r> cool!
13:29:15 <Trey> He logged in from some 'net cafe 500 miles from his regular setup.
13:29:28 <I440r> yea - he moves arround alot :)
13:29:50 <Trey> Whereas I almost never move around :-)
13:29:53 <I440r> :)
13:30:05 <I440r> i move arround alot too when im working :)
13:30:14 --- join: cleverdra (jfondren@1Cust200.tnt6.florence.sc.da.uu.net) joined #forth
13:30:14 --- mode: ChanServ set mode: +o cleverdra
13:31:06 <I440r> cd!
13:32:41 <cleverdra> hello, I440r! =)
13:32:47 <cleverdra> Somebody was looking for you earlier.
13:32:50 <cleverdra> Trey might remember his name.
13:32:51 --- quit: I440r (Read error to I440r[purplecoder.com]: Connection reset by peer)
13:33:57 --- join: I440r (mark4@purplecoder.com) joined #forth
13:34:07 <I440r> doh!
13:34:09 <I440r> hehe
13:34:34 --- mode: cleverdra set mode: +o I440r
13:34:37 <cleverdra> hello, I440r! =)
13:34:38 <cleverdra> Somebody was looking for you earlier.
13:34:40 <cleverdra> Trey might remember his name.
13:35:13 <I440r> yea i know who it was - it was bongo - wanted to talk to me about a job :)
13:35:26 <I440r> trey already told me all about it :)
13:35:27 <I440r> tnx :)
13:35:35 <cleverdra> Cool.
13:51:48 --- join: cleverser (jfondren@1Cust25.tnt3.florence.sc.da.uu.net) joined #forth
13:53:19 --- quit: cleverdra (Ping timeout for cleverdra[1Cust200.tnt6.florence.sc.da.uu.net])
13:53:24 --- nick: cleverser -> cleverdra
13:53:41 --- mode: ChanServ set mode: +o cleverdra
14:27:20 <I440r> im gona be working on my forth some soon - 
14:28:35 <cleverdra> I440r - cool
14:29:10 <I440r> soon as i get some things straightned out here -
14:29:26 <I440r> i wrote the biggest check of my life yesterday hehe
14:29:35 <I440r> 17 thousand 5 hundred :)
14:29:58 <I440r> my dad put in a like ammound -
14:30:09 <cleverdra> For what?  A house?
14:30:11 <I440r> were buyin a house and they mortgage ppl are giving us a hard time
14:30:16 <I440r> they wanted 20% down
14:30:21 <I440r> then 30% now 40%
14:30:26 <I440r> they are getting 35k
14:30:29 <I440r> take it or leave it
14:30:34 <cleverdra> They're evil.  Cool.
14:30:35 <I440r> shit or get off teh pot as my dad says :)
14:30:44 <cleverdra> heh =)
14:33:57 <Trey> $17.5K!  Make one out to me while you've got your checkbook out.
14:34:38 <I440r> :)
14:34:45 <I440r> i saved up for that part
14:34:51 <I440r> cvached in my 401k
14:34:53 <I440r> etc
14:35:20 <Trey> Congrats on the house note.  Welcome to the American Dream.
14:35:47 <I440r> :)
14:35:54 <I440r> its 190k 17 acres
14:35:57 <I440r> 3 buildings
14:36:04 <Trey> Oooh.  Nice place.
14:36:14 <Trey> We only have 7 acres here.
14:36:26 <cleverdra> only 3 here =)  Wow, that's cool.
14:36:40 <Trey> What will you do with all that land?
14:36:45 <I440r> we got hills on either side of teh house
14:36:56 <I440r> and a forest at teh end of teh valley 
14:37:05 <I440r> its a perfect 150 yard rifle range :)
14:37:28 <I440r> one of the 3 buildings is zoned as a business
14:37:33 <I440r> were gona run a gun store in it
14:37:50 <Trey> Uh oh.  Gun runners.
14:37:57 <I440r> we do our own reloads - now we can reload 4 or 5 go test them and adjust to our liking :)
15:21:56 --- join: notjunkd (junk@p42-max2.christchurch.netaccess.net.nz) joined #forth
15:22:02 <notjunkd> i440r.
15:24:29 --- mode: cleverdra set mode: +o notjunkd
15:24:42 <notjunkd> thanks
15:24:45 * notjunkd slaps I440r
15:24:48 <notjunkd> wake up!
15:27:05 <cleverdra> *** I440r has been idle 20 minutes and 16 seconds
15:27:33 <notjunkd> yeah i know
15:30:53 <cleverdra> try noticing him.  Some clients beep there.
15:31:10 <notjunkd> hey thats an idea
15:33:43 --- quit: notjunkd (Those who can't write, write manuals.)
15:34:04 * Trey has idled: life, etc.
15:34:23 --- join: notjunkd (junk@p42-max2.christchurch.netaccess.net.nz) joined #forth
15:43:27 --- mode: cleverdra set mode: +o notjunkd
15:49:22 <notjunkd> what
15:49:23 <notjunkd> lol
15:49:27 <notjunkd> hm
15:49:28 <notjunkd> I440r
15:50:00 * notjunkd is gone.. waiting for i440r (+lp)
16:00:59 --- quit: cleverdra (Leaving)
16:10:18 --- topic: set to ': roundpwr over 1- + swap negate and ; ( PWR NUM -- PWR-1+NUM' by aaronl
16:10:20 <aaronl> opops
16:11:37 --- topic: set to ': roundpwr over 1- + swap negate and ; ( PWR NUM -- [PWR-1+NUM]&[-PWR] , round a number up to the closest multiple of the power of two PWR )' by aaronl
16:12:50 --- join: Chaynez (chaynez@purplecoder.com) joined #forth
16:13:08 <Chaynez> Hey Mark.. you here?
16:13:27 <Chaynez> hey, anyone know the URL on sourceforge for Mark's compiler?
16:14:06 <Chaynez> Anyone even awake?
16:14:07 <Chaynez> heh
16:14:36 <I440r> yes
16:14:42 <I440r> isforth.sourceforge.net
16:14:43 <I440r> heh
16:14:51 <Chaynez> tnx man
16:14:56 <Chaynez> hey, what's this about u'r system goin' down?
16:15:25 <I440r> well - unless i can get satelite up AND down purp will hafta go offline
16:15:38 <I440r> cuz theres no way im paying $250 a month to co-locate it
16:16:00 <I440r> $450 even
16:16:07 <Chaynez> $450/month?
16:16:08 <Chaynez> ermm..
16:16:12 <Chaynez> how come not leave it where it is?
16:16:12 <Chaynez> heh
16:16:23 <Chaynez> ain't you gettin' DSL/Cable where u'r movin' to?
16:16:29 <I440r> because if leaveit whereit is i will lose it
16:16:34 <I440r> this is a rented house
16:16:41 <I440r> no dsl or cable where im moving to
16:16:44 <Chaynez> damn, and you can't just leave it runnin' at u'r dad's or anythin'?
16:16:56 <Chaynez> then just SSH into it when u need to like you've been doin' the last few weeks/months?
16:16:58 <I440r> me and dad are buying house
16:17:01 <I440r> this is a renter
16:17:02 <Chaynez> oh right
16:17:05 <Chaynez> so what about the DNS?
16:17:09 <Chaynez> it ain't just gonna disappear right? :)
16:17:16 <I440r> when purp goes dns goes :(
16:17:17 <Chaynez> chaynez.purplecoder.com will still resolve to 24.250.80.13? :)
16:17:20 <Chaynez> damn
16:17:23 <Chaynez> u'r ISP won't even store the records?
16:17:29 <I440r> my isp is secondary
16:17:33 <Chaynez> poop
16:17:40 <I440r> they will keep then till the ttl runs out
16:17:55 <I440r> ill TRY getsatelite
16:18:28 <I440r> and if i get it then purp is online permanantly :P
16:18:52 <I440r> i just wrote a check for $17500.00 as down payment on house
16:18:57 <I440r> dad put in about the same
16:19:46 <notjunkd> i440r
16:19:52 <notjunkd> jesus christ
16:20:04 * notjunkd has returned.. back again (gone 30m 3s)-1
16:20:18 <I440r> i cant be here all the time bewm - i have shit to do
16:20:21 <I440r> im buying a house remember
16:20:24 <I440r> and i got NO JOB
16:27:39 <Chaynez> :`(
16:27:44 <Chaynez> Mark... go to www.linuxwebhost.com
16:27:48 <Chaynez> you can get a cheap deal there for now
16:28:03 <Chaynez> it's only like $7.95/mo for the basic 50Meg package (maybe even less)
16:28:12 <Chaynez> and they're running on Debian
16:28:18 <Chaynez> btw, what DNS software did u use anyways?
16:31:13 <aaronl> I440r: do you like my first forth function (see topic)?
16:31:48 <aaronl> no DSL?!?!?! omg!!!
16:54:33 <I440r> let me look at topic 
16:54:38 <I440r> sorry i got called away
16:56:49 <aaronl> hehe
16:57:11 <I440r> that looks similar to a bit count function i saw
16:57:16 <aaronl> oh?
16:57:30 <I440r> look on cdrom.com in the c algorighms section
16:57:32 <I440r> real neat
16:57:47 <aaronl> is my style Ok, or should i be using fewer overs/swaps?
16:57:57 <I440r> let me double check
16:58:16 <aaronl> ftp://ftp.cdrom.com/pub/algorithms/c/bitcnt_1.c
16:58:47 <I440r> yes x = x @ x-1 or something
16:58:52 <I440r> inside a loop
16:59:09 <I440r> count ++ while (x = x @ x-1) 
16:59:13 <I440r> i forget exactly
16:59:16 <I440r> been a while heh
16:59:22 <I440r> but its a clever algorighm
17:00:15 <aaronl> heh
17:00:26 <aaronl> i'm not sure i understand it
17:00:49 <aaronl> oh i see
17:01:05 <aaronl> yeah that's cool
17:02:04 <I440r> :)
17:02:08 <I440r> figur out how it works
17:02:10 <I440r> its clever
17:02:24 <I440r> it keeps reducing the number of bits in a byte by 1 till its empty
17:02:24 <aaronl> yeah, i figured it out
17:02:46 <I440r> tale 0x67 abnd and it with 0x67 -1
17:03:28 <aaronl> why would you want to know how many bits are set in a variable?
17:03:39 <I440r> parity ?
17:03:54 <aaronl> oh
17:04:36 <aaronl> what i think is really cool in C is alloca()
17:05:14 <aaronl> thats something i used to miss from asm a lot
17:05:15 <I440r> alloca is cool because u dont need to dealloc it
17:05:19 <I440r> but it takes stack space
17:06:18 <aaronl> yea, but it's much faster than allocating on the heap
17:06:26 <aaronl> because it just expands the stack
17:06:34 <aaronl> and overflow is transparent
17:06:40 <aaronl> the kernel will get a page fault and expand your stack
17:06:51 <I440r> :)
17:09:03 <I440r> overall tho c sux
17:09:05 <I440r> :P)
17:09:26 <aaronl> uyp
17:11:02 <I440r> neway i gotta go get a shower and then find the isforth sources i got from tcn a while back - the ones that dont compile :P
17:11:13 <I440r> then i gotta start getting back into coding it
17:11:20 --- mode: I440r set mode: +o Chaynez
17:12:04 <aaronl> hehe
17:12:06 <aaronl> i cant wait
17:19:25 --- quit: notjunkd (oblivion/1.0c2 beta9 epic4-1.0.1 - the lost souls of time..envy life.)
17:31:07 --- quit: Chaynez (Who needs a quit msg anyway?)
18:37:14 --- join: notjunkd (junk@p42-max2.christchurch.netaccess.net.nz) joined #forth
19:12:56 --- mode: I440r set mode: +o notjunkd
19:13:13 --- mode: I440r set mode: -o notjunkd
19:13:14 <notjunkd> i440r
19:13:18 <I440r> can u see this ?
19:13:20 <notjunkd> how do you unignore someone in epic
19:13:21 <notjunkd> yes
19:13:25 <I440r> ok then
19:13:30 <I440r> im not in igniore
19:13:38 <notjunkd> you are for messages
19:13:51 <notjunkd> have you messaged me saying anything
19:14:35 <notjunkd> ??
19:15:32 <I440r> yes
19:15:35 <I440r> try mailing lists
19:16:08 <notjunkd> how do i subscribe?
19:16:12 <notjunkd> and post
19:16:20 <I440r> check out www.debian.org
19:16:21 <I440r> search
19:16:32 <I440r> they are listed there - i dont know how to get in its been ages
19:16:38 <notjunkd> ok
19:16:59 <I440r> rebooting laptop to linux
19:17:02 --- quit: I440r ()
19:17:46 --- quit: notjunkd ("Rape no good, woman run faster with dress up, than man can with pants down.")
19:29:14 --- join: notjunkd (junk@p92-max1.christchurch.netaccess.net.nz) joined #forth
19:29:26 --- quit: notjunkd (ack,)
19:39:41 --- join: notjunkd (junk@p113-max2.christchurch.netaccess.net.nz) joined #forth
19:45:38 --- part: notjunkd left #forth
20:26:27 --- join: mark4 (mark4@purplecoder.com) joined #forth
20:26:46 --- nick: mark4 -> I440r
20:35:07 --- quit: I440r (Reality Strikes Again)
20:50:25 --- join: I440r (mark4@purplecoder.com) joined #forth
20:50:25 --- mode: ChanServ set mode: +o I440r
21:01:25 --- join: notjunkd (junk@p88-max1.christchurch.netaccess.net.nz) joined #forth
21:04:55 --- join: cleverdra (jfondren@1Cust73.tnt6.florence.sc.da.uu.net) joined #forth
21:04:55 --- mode: ChanServ set mode: +o cleverdra
21:04:59 --- mode: cleverdra set mode: +o notjunkd
21:05:05 <notjunkd> :]
21:05:30 <cleverdra> re topic, *cool*
21:06:11 <I440r> hehe
21:06:19 <I440r> was that aaronl ?
21:06:35 <I440r> clever you seen the bitcount algo on cdrom.com c algorithms ?
21:06:41 <I440r> i thunked THAT was realy neat
21:06:45 <I440r> except it was done in c :P
21:06:54 <I440r> do
21:06:55 <I440r> {
21:06:56 <notjunkd> what is an algorithms
21:06:57 <I440r>   count++;
21:07:05 <I440r> } while (n= n & n-1)
21:07:18 <I440r> an algorithm is a way to solve a problem
21:07:26 <I440r> an algorithm will always work
21:07:32 <I440r> a huristic is a rule of thumb
21:07:36 <notjunkd> heh
21:07:41 <notjunkd> you don't come up with algorithms
21:07:44 <I440r> it will get you close to a solution but wont DEFINATLY solve the problem
21:07:57 <I440r> they exist - you discover them
21:08:05 <I440r> there is no algorithm for winning a game of chess
21:08:14 <I440r> but thre is one for winning a game of connect 4
21:08:15 <I440r> etc
21:08:16 <notjunkd> okay you can stop now
21:13:25 <notjunkd> http://www.linux.com/interact/potd.phtml?potd_id=288
21:17:01 <notjunkd> ok
21:20:56 * cleverdra wakes up.
21:21:18 <cleverdra> I440r - bitcount?  Counting the number of significant bits in a number?
21:21:31 * cleverdra looks up.
21:21:33 <I440r> counting the total bits in a variable
21:22:03 <I440r> could be used to calculate parity or what ever
21:22:15 * cleverdra nods.
21:22:43 <cleverdra> I just wrote a very simple algorithm for h3sm that does * using shifts and plusses.  Better than dup'ing N times and +'ing N times.
21:23:06 <cleverdra> The algorithm's simple to describe, but how it works is less =)  It's cool that way.
21:25:41 * Trey has returned
21:25:41 <I440r> shifting and subtracting is how you do division
21:25:48 <I440r> so shifting and adding would do multiply too
21:26:00 <I440r> but wouldnt the build in multiply instructions work faster ?
21:26:10 <Trey> (make sure you shift in different directions for multiply and divide :-)
21:26:40 <cleverdra> I haven't implemented divide yet =)  I think it might work under the same principle.
21:26:52 <I440r> it does
21:27:05 <I440r> thats how 8 bing micros with no mul instruction do multiply hhe
21:27:18 <I440r> trey yea - that would be best hehehe
21:27:42 <cleverdra> here's the algorithm.
21:27:43 <cleverdra> given ( m n -- ) and A is 0
21:27:43 <cleverdra>  start:
21:27:43 <cleverdra>   if n is 1, drop n and + A times; END
21:27:43 <cleverdra>   if n&1, n-1 and A++ and dup2; START
21:27:43 <cleverdra>   n/2 and m*2; START
21:27:44 <cleverdra>  end;
21:28:28 <cleverdra> that's just some scratch I wrote.  The original ColorForth uses the A register to count the times and keeps m and n on the stack.  The H3sm version uses the return and pointer stacks and keeps only m (which is a pyte) on the stack.
21:29:29 <cleverdra> Try walking through that in a Forth, examining the binary and decimal equivalents of N as you do.
21:29:31 <I440r> he hesm in 68k ?
21:29:36 <I440r> h3sm even
21:29:42 <cleverdra> This only works with positive non-zero numbers.
21:30:44 <cleverdra> H3sm is written in a minimal kind of C, using GCC.  I've only compiled it on Linux w/Pentium.  Supposedly the assembly it uses is kinda portable through some of GCC's features.
21:31:01 <I440r> :)
21:43:16 <I440r> trying to get my fscking laptop back on the net in 2.4.x here
21:43:25 <I440r> hotplug is a bitch
21:43:40 <I440r> pcmcia was so easy once i got the right drivers - hotplug just wont play
21:43:56 <I440r> i get my nic but i get tx time outs on the netowrk grrr
21:51:14 --- quit: I440r (Reality Strikes Again)
21:51:44 --- join: mark4 (mark4@purplecoder.com) joined #forth
21:53:30 --- mode: cleverdra set mode: +o mark4
21:53:37 --- nick: mark4 -> I440r
21:53:43 <I440r> tnx :)
21:53:45 <cleverdra> hello mark4.  Are you -- nevermind.
21:53:52 <I440r> hehe
21:53:56 <I440r> my real name - 
21:54:10 <I440r> this is xchat i forget how to make it default to using my nick instead of my login 
21:54:19 <I440r> mark i manning iv
21:58:18 <cleverdra> Cool.
22:00:12 <I440r> This installation doesn't support glibc-2.1 on Linux / x86
22:00:17 <I440r> fscking loki games suck
22:00:18 <I440r> grrr
22:02:12 <notjunkd> heh
22:04:14 --- quit: cleverdra (Leaving)
22:06:06 <notjunkd> I440r
22:06:07 <notjunkd> wake
22:23:48 <aaronl> haha he has a life you know?
22:26:04 <notjunkd> no i didn't
22:42:02 <I440r> im trying to fix sound on one machine
22:42:05 <I440r> network on another
22:42:12 <I440r> and notjunkd's install \:P
22:42:12 <I440r> grrr
22:42:13 <I440r> hehe
22:42:20 <notjunkd> sound eh
22:42:31 <notjunkd> alsa-driver isnt that a driver?
22:42:35 <notjunkd> it supports Trident
22:52:09 <I440r> :)
22:52:21 <I440r> the advanced linux sound architecture or something
22:52:28 <notjunkd> yaea
22:52:29 <I440r> i never got it to work on a SINGLE card of mine
22:52:32 <I440r> i fucked it off
22:52:34 <notjunkd> lol
22:52:39 <I440r> i buy OSS ususllt
22:52:47 <I440r> usually ive never had a fail with oss
22:52:55 <I440r> but the kernel supports my sound card here so
22:57:57 <aaronl> yes
22:58:02 <aaronl> i like it when kernel sound works
22:58:17 <aaronl> and i hate als
22:58:19 <aaronl> alsa
22:58:46 <I440r> :)
22:59:58 <notjunkd> my kernel sound didnt work
23:00:00 * aaronl hugs his SoundBlaster Live with programmable DSP, digitial I/O, multichannel surround output, and good linux support
23:00:04 <notjunkd> and even i440r configured it hehe
23:00:35 <I440r> i dont know why but no matter what i did you never got any sound devices
23:00:40 <I440r> you got midi devices etc
23:00:43 <I440r> but no sound
23:02:35 <aaronl> hahah
23:03:00 --- quit: I440r (Reality Strikes Again)
23:09:05 --- quit: notjunkd (please work!#)
23:12:44 <Trey> Goodnight, all.
23:12:49 * Trey has idled: sleeping
23:25:15 --- join: I440r (mark4@purplecoder.com) joined #forth
23:36:49 --- quit: I440r (BitchX-1.0c17 -- just do it.)
23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/01.07.06