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07:01:22 <Trey> Good morning, cleverdra
07:03:06 <cleverdra> g'morning, Trey
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08:41:52 <futhin> hola
08:45:55 <cleverdra> aloha
08:52:40 <futhin> how's it going?
08:53:16 <futhin> i'm gonna organize my comp then backup the good stuff
08:55:00 <cleverdra> pretty good.  In a few hours I ought to have cLIeNUX working
08:55:15 <futhin> hm
08:55:17 <futhin> what's that?
08:56:10 <cleverdra> dired, clienux?
08:56:11 <dired> clienux is http://www.clienux.com or comes with a pforth with >100 Linux syscalls or later versions expected to have a Forth built into the Linux kernel in its own kernel thread or may replace libc with a *tiny* library of syscall wrappers (see libsys) or (see h3sm)
08:56:39 <futhin> hm
08:56:40 <futhin> cool
08:56:45 <cleverdra> dired, clienux is also *very* friendly, with disproportionatly large documentation
08:56:45 <dired> okay, cleverdra.
08:57:11 <cleverdra> dired, clienux is also *very* unfriendly, if you think friendly is having everything you should know being automated
08:57:11 <dired> that is too long, cleverdra
08:57:17 <cleverdra> dired, clienux2 is also *very* unfriendly, if you think friendly is having everything you should know being automated
08:57:17 <dired> OK, cleverdra.
08:58:05 <cleverdra> dired, clienux2 is also based on a client-use model, and is optimized for a system where one person who uses the machine and runs as root typically does everything
08:58:05 <dired> cleverdra: wish i knew
08:58:12 <futhin> dired, clienus?
08:58:12 <dired> futhin: i haven't a clue
08:58:14 <futhin> dired, clienux?
08:58:14 <dired> somebody said clienux was http://www.clienux.com or comes with a pforth with >100 Linux syscalls or later versions expected to have a Forth built into the Linux kernel in its own kernel thread or may replace libc with a *tiny* library of syscall wrappers (see libsys) or (see h3sm) or *very* friendly, with disproportionatly large documentation
08:58:17 <cleverdra> dired, clienux2 is also based on a client-use model, and is optimized for a system where one person \who uses the machine and runs as root typically does everything
08:58:17 <dired> cleverdra: i don't know
08:58:23 <cleverdra> bugger.
08:58:31 <futhin> heh
08:58:34 <futhin> dired, clienux2?
08:58:34 <dired> clienux2 is *very* unfriendly, if you think friendly is having everything you should know being automated
08:58:38 <cleverdra> dired, clienux2 is also based on a client-use model, and \is optimized for a system where one person \who uses the machine and runs as root typically does everything
08:58:38 <dired> cleverdra: wish i knew
08:58:54 <futhin> dired, forth?
08:58:54 <dired> somebody said forth was at http://www.forth.org or at http://www.ultratechnology.com or at http://www.forth.org.uk
08:59:25 <cleverdra> dired, clienux2 is nearly more remarkable for what it lacks than what it has
08:59:25 <dired> cleverdra: i haven't a clue
08:59:29 * cleverdra kicks dired
08:59:49 <cleverdra> dired, clienux2 is \nearly \more \remarkable \for \what \it \lacks \than \what \it \has
08:59:49 <dired> ...but clienux2 is *very* unfriendly, if you think friendly is having everything you should know being automated...
08:59:53 <cleverdra> dired, clienux2 is also \nearly \more \remarkable \for \what \it \lacks \than \what \it \has
08:59:53 <dired> okay, cleverdra.
09:00:04 <futhin> dired, forth is also the best damn language you foo!
09:00:05 <dired> okay, futhin.
09:00:11 <futhin> dired, forth?
09:00:11 <dired> forth is at http://www.forth.org or at http://www.ultratechnology.com or at http://www.forth.org.uk or the best damn language you foo!
09:00:46 <futhin> dired, forth =~ s/or the best damn language you foo!/
09:00:47 <dired> futhin: huh?
09:00:48 <futhin> dired, forth =~ s/or the best damn language you foo!//
09:00:49 <dired> OK, futhin
09:00:49 <cleverdra> dired, clienux2 is also (like suid bits, a million damned default servers opening the machine, groff and man pages, Perl, etc)
09:00:49 <dired> okay, cleverdra.
09:00:53 <futhin> dired, forth?
09:00:53 <dired> forth is at http://www.forth.org or at http://www.ultratechnology.com or at http://www.forth.org.uk
09:01:40 <cleverdra> dired, clienux2 is also puts powerful programming and good documentation right in the core
09:01:40 <dired> okay, cleverdra.
09:02:10 <futhin> dired, spam?
09:02:10 <dired> spam is [from the MUD community] vt. To crash a program by overrunning a fixed-size buffer with excessively large input data. See also {buffer overflow}, {overrun screw}, {smash the stack}.
09:02:12 <cleverdra> dired, clienux2 is also the only distro whose bootdisks contain great documentation and no automation
09:02:12 <dired> i'm sorry, but that's too long, cleverdra
09:02:17 <cleverdra> dired, clienux3 is also the only distro whose bootdisks contain great documentation and no automation
09:02:17 <dired> OK, cleverdra.
09:02:20 <futhin> dired, muf?
09:02:20 <dired> futhin: bugger all, i dunno
09:02:35 <cleverdra> dired, overrun screw?
09:02:35 <dired> somebody said overrun screw was [C programming] n. A variety of {fandango on core} produced by scribbling past the end of an array (C has no checks for this). This is relatively benign and easy to spot if the array is static; if it is auto, the result may be to {smash the stack} --- often resulting See: overrun screw2
09:03:01 <cleverdra> dired, overrun screw2?
09:03:02 <dired> hmmm... overrun screw2 is in heisenbugs of the most diabolical subtlety. The term `overrun screw' is used esp. of scribbles beyond the end of arrays allocated with `malloc(3)'; this typically trashes the allocation header for the next block in the arena, producing massive lossage within See: overrun screw3
09:03:17 <futhin> dired, muf is MUF - Multi-User Forth.  It is an online programming language for TinyMUCK which is a MUD.  It is a fairly cool way to learn Forth
09:03:17 <dired> OK, futhin.
09:03:23 <futhin> dired, MUD?
09:03:23 <dired> futhin: wish i knew
09:03:27 <futhin> dired, mud?
09:03:27 <dired> futhin: bugger all, i dunno
09:04:42 <futhin> dired, mud is MUD is Multi-User Dimension.  It is a multiplayer game that you telnet to and either talk, roleplay, or go around killing monsters.  Check www.mudconnect.com for listings of muds.
09:04:43 <dired> OK, futhin.
09:04:46 <futhin> dired, mud?
09:04:46 <dired> somebody said mud was MUD is Multi-User Dimension.  It is a multiplayer game that you telnet to and either talk, roleplay, or go around killing monsters.  Check http://www.mudconnect.com for listings of muds.
09:05:19 <futhin> dired, mud is MUD - Multi-User Dimension.  It is a multiplayer game that you telnet to and either talk, roleplay, or go around killing monsters.  Check www.mudconnect.com for listings of muds.
09:05:20 <dired> ...but mud is MUD is Multi-User Dimension.  It is a multiplayer game that you telnet to and either talk, roleplay, or go around killing monsters.  Check http://www.mudconnect.com for listings of muds....
09:05:59 <futhin> dired, mud =~ s/MUD is/MUD -/
09:06:00 <dired> OK, futhin
09:06:03 <futhin> dired, mud?
09:06:03 <dired> mud is MUD - Multi-User Dimension.  It is a multiplayer game that you telnet to and either talk, roleplay, or go around killing monsters.  Check http://www.mudconnect.com for listings of muds.
09:06:15 <futhin> dired, MUD is MUD - Multi-User Dimension.  It is a multiplayer game that you telnet to and either talk, roleplay, or go around killing monsters.  Check www.mudconnect.com for listings of muds.
09:06:15 <dired> i already had it that way, futhin.
09:06:34 <futhin> dired, mud =~ s/mud/MUD
09:06:34 <dired> futhin: huh?
09:06:36 <futhin> dired, mud =~ s/mud/MUD/
09:06:36 <dired> OK, futhin
09:06:38 <futhin> dired, mud?
09:06:39 <dired> mud is MUD - Multi-User Dimension.  It is a multiplayer game that you telnet to and either talk, roleplay, or go around killing monsters.  Check http://www.mudconnect.com for listings of muds.
09:06:45 <futhin> dired, MUD?
09:06:45 <dired> i guess MUD is MUD - Multi-User Dimension.  It is a multiplayer game that you telnet to and either talk, roleplay, or go around killing monsters.  Check http://www.mudconnect.com for listings of muds.
09:06:52 <futhin> hmpf
09:06:53 <futhin> dired, MUD?
09:06:53 <dired> somebody said MUD was MUD - Multi-User Dimension.  It is a multiplayer game that you telnet to and either talk, roleplay, or go around killing monsters.  Check http://www.mudconnect.com for listings of muds.
09:06:55 <futhin> dired, MUD?
09:06:55 <dired> hmmm... MUD is MUD - Multi-User Dimension.  It is a multiplayer game that you telnet to and either talk, roleplay, or go around killing monsters.  Check http://www.mudconnect.com for listings of muds.
09:06:59 <futhin> dired, mud?
09:06:59 <dired> mud is MUD - Multi-User Dimension.  It is a multiplayer game that you telnet to and either talk, roleplay, or go around killing monsters.  Check http://www.mudconnect.com for listings of muds.
09:07:02 <futhin> dired, MUD?
09:07:02 <dired> MUD is MUD - Multi-User Dimension.  It is a multiplayer game that you telnet to and either talk, roleplay, or go around killing monsters.  Check http://www.mudconnect.com for listings of muds.
09:07:24 <futhin> i find it really annoying when it says "somebody said" or "hmm..."
09:08:03 <cleverdra> why do you keep asking it the same question, dired?
09:08:04 <dired> cleverdra: sorry...
09:08:10 <cleverdra> s/dired/futhin/
09:09:01 <futhin> i was just checking case and i notice it says "somebody said"  at the begining sometimes
09:09:11 <futhin> s/notice/noticed
09:09:34 <cleverdra> yeah, it has stuff in front.  So what?
09:10:33 <futhin> so, i noticed it and tested it :)
09:10:42 <futhin> and spammed everyone wh00t! 
09:16:12 <futhin> dired, muf =~ s/learn Forth/learn a Forth-like language./
09:16:12 <dired> OK, futhin
09:17:09 <futhin> dired, mud =~ s/multiplayer/text-based multiplayer/
09:17:09 <dired> OK, futhin
09:17:14 <futhin> dired, muf?
09:17:14 <dired> hmmm... muf is MUF - Multi-User Forth.  It is an online programming language for TinyMUCK which is a MUD.  It is a fairly cool way to learn a Forth-like language.
09:17:19 <futhin> dired, mud?
09:17:20 <dired> well, mud is MUD - Multi-User Dimension.  It is a text-based multiplayer game that you telnet to and either talk, roleplay, or go around killing monsters.  Check http://www.mudconnect.com for listings of muds.
09:18:05 <futhin> dired, muf =~ s/to learn/to start learning/
09:18:05 <dired> OK, futhin
09:18:44 <futhin> dired, muf =~ s/Forth-like language./Forth/
09:18:44 <dired> OK, futhin
09:19:08 <futhin> dired, muf =~ s/a Forth/a Forth./
09:19:08 <dired> OK, futhin
09:19:11 <futhin> bah
09:19:20 <futhin> <-- luser with too much time on his hands.
09:19:26 <futhin> time to go organize my comp
09:21:29 <cleverdra> dired, muf?
09:21:29 <dired> i think muf is MUF - Multi-User Forth.  It is an online programming language for TinyMUCK which is a MUD.  It is a fairly cool way to start learning a Forth.
09:22:05 <futhin> hm.. does "a Forth" work??
09:22:22 <cleverdra> it works
09:22:39 <cleverdra> NO IT DOESN'T BWAHAHAHHAH yes it does.
09:24:09 <futhin> heh
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09:32:51 <grurp> eh?
09:35:35 <futhin> hello
09:35:52 <futhin> how goes forthing?
09:36:25 <futhin> or frothing
09:36:48 <futhin> dired, frothing?
09:36:48 <dired> futhin: bugger all, i dunno
09:37:10 <futhin> dired, frothing is getting absolutely drunk and then trying to forth
09:37:10 <dired> OK, futhin.
09:41:47 <futhin> hmpf
09:42:02 <Trey> dired: get lost
09:42:02 <futhin> i'm gonna go, gotta shower and then kick some ass
09:42:02 <dired> Trey: sorry...
09:42:22 <Trey> Kicking ass may turn out messy.  Shower after.
09:42:25 <futhin> heh
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10:15:06 <I440r> :)
10:21:14 <cleverdra> thank you, i440r =)
10:22:35 <I440r> :)
10:22:46 <I440r> <-- ulterior motive :))))
10:23:37 <cleverdra> oh, what's that?
10:24:31 <cleverdra> dired, clf is comp.lang.forth
10:24:31 <dired> OK, cleverdra.
10:24:40 <cleverdra> dired, clf is also at http://groups.google.com/groups?group=comp.lang.forth
10:24:40 <dired> okay, cleverdra.
10:32:11 <I440r> cleverdra i dont realy like clf....
10:32:27 <I440r> i HATE ans forth
10:32:38 <I440r> its a jiant step backwards
10:33:24 <cleverdra> clf doesn't just host ANS Forth people, though.  Hohensee posts updates on clienux there.  Jeff Fox talks about compiler techniques there.
10:34:04 <I440r> yea i know its not 100% ans but its 99% ans :)
10:34:27 <I440r> but jeff fox is a name that keeps cropping up.....
10:34:37 <I440r> i think god is telling me something :)
10:34:49 <cleverdra> Though, I haven't ever (conciously) written an ANS Forth program.  I think it's nearly a good way to express algorithms for people, though, like an international pidgin language.
10:35:00 <cleverdra> i440r - you don't know who Jeff Fox is?!
10:35:14 <I440r> not entirely no
10:35:23 <I440r> i dont follow the scene much
10:35:43 <cleverdra> hm, OK.
10:35:48 <I440r> any relation to jeff foxworthy ????
10:35:51 <cleverdra> see www.ultratechnology.org
10:36:10 <I440r> you know ur a forth coder when you start to speak like yoda ?
10:36:19 <cleverdra> No.  Jeff Fox is related to F21, the Foxware mumble mumble, which is a very cool Forth machine that Chuck Moore has a hand in.
10:36:19 <I440r> \oh ive been there :)
10:36:34 <I440r> :)
10:36:38 <cleverdra> Hee, see that understatement.
10:36:46 <I440r> :)
10:37:02 <I440r> cleverdra do u code forth at all for a living ?
10:37:03 <cleverdra> www.ultratechnology.org has a nice dindex.
10:37:21 <cleverdra> No, right now I'm in HS.
10:37:30 <I440r> hs ?
10:37:34 <Trey> High School
10:37:38 <I440r> aha
10:37:47 <I440r> i never went :))))
10:38:02 <Trey> I got out 16 years ago.
10:40:38 <I440r> cleverdra when did u get interested in forth ?
10:42:51 <cleverdra> Well, first time I heard of forth was in EFnet #Perl when Addi said something unfriendly about its syntax.  Made fun.
10:43:11 <I440r> sounds like an idiot
10:43:15 <I440r> thats why forth is so good
10:43:34 <I440r> that innitial hurdle of getting over rpn seperates the men form the boys so to speak
10:43:43 <cleverdra> I've always been kinda wandery about languages, I kept searching for them and learning them and being unhappy with them, so once when I found a (mostly silly) page on Forth propaganda I went out and got a Forth and learnt it.
10:44:01 <I440r> cool
10:44:17 <cleverdra> I don't mean silly as in ha ha, but in wierd.  The person's arguments were mostly pointless, but he mentioned some things about Forth that struck me.
10:45:22 <cleverdra> That's pretty much end-of-story =)  I got frustrated with Forth and left it for a month, grew frustrated with not-Forth and went back to it, this time with www.ultratechnology.org propaganda giving me hints on how to write good Forth code.
10:45:35 <cleverdra> yeah, that's cool.
10:46:13 <I440r> most forth coders aforget the basic underlying principal of the language,....
10:46:16 <I440r> simplicity
10:46:34 <I440r> factor you code out ALL TH WAY
10:46:45 <I440r> i nve4r nest deeper than 2 or at a push 3 levels
10:46:53 <I440r> i always factor my code correctly...
10:47:01 <I440r> c coders will never learn to do that because it costs in c
10:47:19 <I440r> there is little or no overhead for properly factoring you code in forth...
10:47:34 <I440r> no need for 60 page functions nested to teh nth level in forth
10:47:56 <I440r> and yes ive sen 60 page c functions
10:48:03 <I440r> in fact teh functionw as a single switch statement
10:48:15 <I440r> where each case was a 15 case switch statement
10:48:27 <I440r> where each case was a 20 or 30 case switch statement
10:48:28 <I440r> argh
10:48:37 <I440r> impossible to figure that shit out
10:48:46 <cleverdra> I've never nested at three levels in my code since my return to Forth, i440r, and I look hard at the rest.
10:48:51 <cleverdra> yeah, that's annoying.
10:48:59 <I440r> :)
10:49:25 <I440r> specially when someone is paying you to fix it and doesnt want anything changed
10:49:33 <I440r> in case you break something
10:49:36 <I440r> ugh!
10:49:37 <cleverdra> Nearly all case switches can be changed to jump tables, which are a) more flexible, b) more understandable, c) smaller in memory sometimes, and d) almost *always* smaller in code
10:49:56 <I440r> i never use switch statements
10:49:58 <cleverdra> I may be understating that a bit =)
10:50:06 <I440r> hang on let me get something
10:50:08 <I440r> brb
10:50:22 <cleverdra> No, neither do I.
10:50:51 <cleverdra> I'd rather not jump on someone about it, though, unless their case is rediculously-obvious table material.
10:52:32 <I440r> typedef struct
10:52:32 <I440r> {
10:52:32 <I440r>   char command[10];         // ascii string of bot command
10:52:32 <I440r>   int level;                // access level required to use command
10:52:32 <I440r>   void (*fp)();             // command vector
10:52:34 <I440r> } bot_cmd;
10:53:16 <I440r> .
10:53:16 <I440r> .
10:53:17 <I440r> typedef struct
10:53:17 <I440r> {
10:53:17 <I440r>   char command[10];         // ascii string of bot command
10:53:17 <I440r>   int level;                // access level required to use command
10:53:18 <I440r>   void (*fp)();             // command vector
10:53:20 <I440r> } bot_cmd;
10:53:27 <I440r> argh forgot to cut and pasted teh same thing twice
10:53:27 <I440r> grr
10:53:37 <I440r> static bot_cmd bot_cmds[]=    // commands that can be given to bot
10:53:37 <I440r> {
10:53:37 <I440r>   {"-HELP",         0, help},
10:53:37 <I440r>   {"-LEVEL",        0, showlevel},
10:53:37 <I440r>   {"-OPME",       100, opme},
10:53:38 <I440r>   {"-DEOPME",       0, deopme},
10:53:40 <I440r>   {"-VOICEME",     50, voiceme},
10:53:42 <I440r> ...
10:53:44 <I440r> }
10:53:58 <Trey> D'oh1
10:54:03 <I440r> for (i = 0; i < num_cmds; i++)
10:54:03 <I440r>   {
10:54:03 <I440r>     if(!(strncasecmp(cmd,bot_cmds[i].command,strlen(bot_cmds[i].command))))
10:54:03 <I440r>     {
10:54:03 <I440r>       if (chk_level(bot_cmds[i].level))
10:54:04 <I440r>       {
10:54:06 <I440r>         bot_cmds[i].fp();
10:54:08 <I440r>       }
10:54:10 <I440r>       break;
10:54:12 <I440r>     }
10:54:14 <I440r>   }
10:54:18 <I440r> no switch statements in my irc bot code at all
10:54:21 <Trey> D'oh!, even.
10:54:24 <I440r> the whole irc protocol is parsed with things like that
10:54:25 <cleverdra> Trey?
10:54:44 <cleverdra> yeah, i440r, that's cool.
10:54:55 <I440r> i can add new commands to my bot simply by adding them to the array of bot_cmd structures
10:55:08 <I440r> i never did finish that bot tho hehe
10:56:02 <Trey> That would sure work differently in Forth.
10:56:07 <cleverdra> Yes.
10:56:43 <Trey> Each level a separate vocabulary, with only the appropriate vocabs in the list for the current level.
10:56:58 <cleverdra> Trey =)  Just was I was thinking.
10:57:33 <I440r> :)
10:58:04 <cleverdra> That'd also make it easier to add/remove words at runtime.  If you've a save-state or somesuch all you'd need to do is load the boostrap code and then just save copies of the bot at regular intervals or after changes
10:58:59 <Trey> I think Forth makes the perfect scripting language, but I have a bias :-)
10:59:15 <I440r> hehe
10:59:30 <I440r> thats one of teh goals i have with isforth is to rewrite all the init scripts in forth hehehehe
10:59:41 <cleverdra> I'm glad you mentioned Forth, Trey =)  I was thinking of ways to have i440r's tables easily modifiable at runtime.
10:59:56 <cleverdra> i440r - hah!  I've thought of that.
11:00:02 <cleverdra> i440r - have you seen clienux?
11:00:08 <I440r> nope...
11:00:14 <cleverdra> dired, tell i440r about clienux
11:00:16 <I440r> if its a linux forth its probably written in c
11:00:18 <cleverdra> dired, tell i440r about clienux2
11:00:20 <cleverdra> dired, tell i440r about clienux3
11:00:39 <Trey> dired: wake up!
11:00:39 <dired> Trey: excuse me?
11:00:54 <Trey> dired clienux
11:00:54 <dired> clienux is http://www.clienux.com or comes with a pforth with >100 Linux syscalls or later versions expected to have a Forth built into the Linux kernel in its own kernel thread or may replace libc with a *tiny* library of syscall wrappers (see libsys) or (see h3sm) or *very* friendly, with disproportionatly large documentation
11:01:07 <cleverdra> Not a linux Forth, a distribution made by someone who makes a Forth and has, among other things, a patch to put a Forth as a kernel thread in Linux
11:01:29 <I440r> :)
11:01:50 <I440r> i was thinking of having isforth load as a kernel module giving me the ability to dynamically modify the forth kernel
11:01:55 <I440r> i mean linux kernel
11:02:00 <Trey> I've thought about adding Forth as a loadable module in BeOS.
11:02:04 <cleverdra> i440r - yeah, I've tried nasm, but (sorry, little assembly experience here) I get numerous %xdefined errors in one of the assembly packages.  nasm doesn't know what %xdefined or %definedx or whatever is.
11:02:06 <I440r> imagine anextensable linux :)\
11:02:16 <I440r> aha
11:02:16 <I440r> yes
11:02:21 <cleverdra> i440r - yeah =)  See Hohensee's patch =)  That's cool.
11:02:27 <I440r> thats because nasm is crippled
11:02:28 <I440r> ok
11:02:30 <I440r> ill explain
11:02:33 <cleverdra> Please.
11:02:35 <I440r> lets say you do...
11:02:38 <I440r> %define x 2
11:02:42 <I440r> %define y x
11:02:47 <I440r> %define x 3
11:02:53 <I440r> both x and y change values
11:03:06 <I440r> theres no way in nasm to SAVE the value of x and restore it later
11:03:14 <cleverdra> OK.
11:03:18 <I440r> my macros to create teh forth headers in isforht NEED this
11:03:20 <I440r> well
11:03:36 <I440r> there is an unofficial nasm version that has defined %xdefine
11:03:38 <I440r> extended define
11:03:49 <I440r> THIS version is required to compile isforth
11:03:53 <I440r> ill get you the url :)
11:04:16 <cleverdra> ah, OK.  Thank you =)
11:04:36 <cleverdra> I think I've seen %xdefine in other packages, too.
11:04:52 <cleverdra> packages.  distriubtions.  code packages.  programs.  blah.
11:05:13 <cleverdra> Linux has loaded unfortunately meanings into the word 'package'.
11:05:53 <I440r> http://home.snafu.de/phpr/
11:06:15 <I440r> get the version of nasm from there
11:06:22 <I440r> 98 e or something
11:06:27 <I440r> emeaning extended prolly hh
11:08:59 <cleverdra> not found, not found, not found.  hm.
11:09:15 <I440r> ugh
11:09:40 <cleverdra> ah, but here's a link to debian FTP with the orig and diff.  I'll try that.
11:09:50 <I440r> you run debian ?
11:10:35 <cleverdra> Yeah, I'm getting the files.  In a few hours I'll be running cLIeNUX and not debian, though.
11:10:49 <cleverdra> I've got to go...right after this download finishes.
11:10:54 <cleverdra> Goodbye, and thanks!
11:11:04 <I440r> l8er :)
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11:56:30 <cleverdra> dired, isforth?
11:56:46 <cleverdra> hello?
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12:13:30 <Trey> dired?
12:13:30 <dired> yes, Trey?
12:13:39 <Trey> dired: what is isforth?
12:13:40 <dired> trey: no idea
12:13:44 <Trey> heh
12:23:05 <cleverdra> dired?
12:23:06 <dired> yes, cleverdra?
12:23:09 <cleverdra> dired, isforth?
12:23:19 <cleverdra> dired, what is isforth?
12:23:19 <dired> bugger all, i dunno, cleverdra
12:23:21 <cleverdra> oh, OK.
12:24:41 <cleverdra> dired, hello is <reply>bonjour, $who|<reply>aloha $who|<reply>coi $who|<reply>hello $who
12:24:41 <dired> OK, cleverdra.
12:24:44 <cleverdra> hello!
12:24:48 <cleverdra> dired, hello?
12:24:48 <dired> bonjour, cleverdra|<reply>aloha cleverdra|<reply>coi cleverdra|<reply>hello cleverdra
12:24:52 <cleverdra> erm.
12:24:59 <cleverdra> dired, bonjour is also |<reply>test
12:25:00 <dired> OK, cleverdra.
12:25:06 <cleverdra> dired, hello is also |<reply>test
12:25:06 <dired> okay, cleverdra.
12:25:08 <cleverdra> dired, hello?
12:25:09 <dired> bonjour, cleverdra|<reply>aloha cleverdra|<reply>coi cleverdra|<reply>hello cleverdra|<reply>test
12:25:18 <cleverdra> You disabled that, huh?
12:25:24 <cleverdra> dired, forget bonjour
12:25:26 <cleverdra> dired, forget hello
12:26:00 <dired> cleverdra: I forgot bonjour
12:26:00 <dired> cleverdra: I forgot hello
13:17:18 <cleverdra> seen nate37
13:32:08 <Trey> dired, seen nate37
13:32:08 <dired> nate37 was last seen on #forth 15 hours, 45 minutes and 0 seconds ago, saying: for ti-85 [Wed Jun 13 21:47:08 2001]
13:32:34 <Trey> dired: mode?
13:32:35 <dired> rumour has it mode is n. A general state, usually used with an adjective describing the state. Use of the word `mode' rather than `state' implies that the state is extended over time, and probably also that some activity characteristic of that state is being carried out. "No time to hack; I'm in thesis mode." In its jargon sense, `mode' is most often attributed to people, though it is sometimes applied to programs and inanimate objects. In particular, see {hack mo
13:32:46 <Trey> Hmmm.
13:32:51 <Trey> dired: help
13:34:53 <Trey> dired: status
13:34:53 <dired> Since Wed Jun 13 16:05:07 2001, there have been 25 modifications and 48 questions.  I have been awake for 21 hours, 29 minutes, 46 seconds this session, and currently reference 5268 factoids. Addressing is in require mode.
13:35:12 <Trey> "Addressing is in required mode."
13:36:34 <Trey> http://www.geocities.com/forth2xxx/
13:37:19 <Trey> I don't have a copy of DOS I can boot, I think.
13:44:37 <cleverdra> OCF?
13:44:47 <cleverdra> dired, what is OCF?
13:44:48 <dired> bugger all, i dunno, cleverdra
13:49:03 <Trey> He mentioned it on the ColorForth mailing list.
13:56:14 <Trey> A "one color Forth".
14:02:02 <cleverdra> oh.  hm.
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