00:00:00 --- log: started forth/01.05.31 01:12:43 yo 02:13:41 --- quit: nate37 (sleep) 04:05:50 * aaronl is away: 3.5 hours of sleep 05:07:52 --- join: cleverdra (fondren@207.232.224.74) joined #forth 05:20:15 --- quit: adu (Ping timeout for adu[adsl-63-201-88-42.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net]) 05:22:53 --- join: adu (andrew@adsl-63-201-88-42.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #forth 05:35:33 --- quit: adu (IRCStep) 06:27:06 --- quit: cleverdra (Ping timeout for cleverdra[207.232.224.74]) 07:00:57 --- join: cleverdra (fondren@207.232.224.74) joined #forth 08:48:35 --- join: nate37 (nate@cx83983-d.irvn1.occa.home.com) joined #forth 11:06:13 --- join: I440r (mark4@purplecoder.com) joined #forth 11:06:14 --- mode: ChanServ set mode: +o I440r 11:06:21 --- mode: I440r set mode: +o nate37 11:51:17 --- quit: I440r (BitchX-1.0c17 -- just do it.) 12:27:06 * Trey is away: on vacation [14:26] 12:32:40 --- quit: cleverdra (Leaving) 13:05:34 --- join: grurp (grurp@pc19955.batc.tec.ut.us) joined #forth 13:09:43 --- join: muks (muks@geeks.nerdfest.org) joined #forth 13:10:01 nate37: are you around? i need something 13:12:14 nate37: n/m 13:12:17 thanks 13:12:21 anyway :) 13:12:23 --- part: muks left #forth 13:26:13 --- quit: grurp (Bye all) 15:55:06 * aaronl is back (gone 11:49:16) 17:11:30 --- join: TheBlueWizard (TheBlueWiz@ip-216-25-202-71.vienna.va.fcc.net) joined #forth 17:11:30 --- mode: ChanServ set mode: +o TheBlueWizard 17:11:34 hiya all 17:52:03 hiya wiz 17:52:23 hiya speuler 18:00:04 how much would you be charged for internet satellite up- and downlink, flat rate, in the States ? 18:05:47 no idea 18:05:53 I use phone line 18:14:16 * speuler wants internet in camper 18:16:07 ah...heh....prolly expensive...dunno....ask around...um....can one use cell phones out in the woods (camping) now? I don't own a cell phone (never use it) 18:16:51 i know how much they're going to charge in EU but want to compare against US 18:18:24 if one can use cell phones in camping area, I know of one vendor (Ricochet) that offers wireless phone modem....subscription is about $30...maybe a bit higher (that was about 2 years ago) 18:18:47 $30 a month :) 18:19:54 that's all-in, plug it into your portable, and you got internet around the clock ? 18:20:05 at no extra costs 18:26:56 going through sat, flat rate, 1 mbit down, 100 kbit up, is announced for about 80$/month 18:28:08 Ricochet wireless modem? yeah...full Internet...look at www.ricochet.com 18:28:36 $80/mo? rather steep...but not as steep as I thought it'd be.... 18:29:15 need a dish, and transceiver too. initial costs. 18:29:26 * TheBlueWizard nods 18:30:12 plus motor drive for dish, as it would be mounted on a mobile object 18:31:09 hmm...you sounds like you are really into networking 18:32:31 i've spent more time in the camper than at home recently. this will be true for the next 3 months too. 18:32:43 I see 18:33:04 would like to be less dependant on internet cafes 18:33:52 even though the last cafe i visited required professional assistance :) 18:34:28 (they didn't know how to hook up 5 machines to 4 ip-adresses) 18:36:25 last munich internet i went out, i passed a note to the boss, saying "postmaster: your password is insecure..." 18:38:34 hehe....and be sure to pass out notes "IP masquerading rawx!!!" :) 18:39:35 they were running nanoflex 18:39:50 never heard of it 18:40:14 picomallable 18:40:35 never heard of it either :P 18:40:36 microsoft 18:41:02 huh? don't recall M$ making those products 18:42:01 nanoflex lightorifice 18:42:48 uh...I start to see...you're talking in code.... 18:42:51 :) 18:43:40 i have an inhibition of saying "microsoft windows" 18:44:39 I see...I tend to spell it out in a derogatory way, like Windoze, Winblows, Windeath, whatever 18:44:59 yet it is clear....it is hard to decipher "nanoflex" 18:45:22 pico flexibility is its trademark 18:46:18 "little flexibility" --> so damn rigid...."conform, or die!" yeah.... 18:46:21 but no matter, they had to learn about putting 2 nics into one machine first 18:46:28 regardless of os 18:47:07 hehe 18:48:44 and learn about NAT stuff....IIRC WinNT and Win2K (I am more sure of the latter) server OS do offer NAT capabilities. And there are numberous third party software that does NAT 9and more)....I'm surprised this cafe people are this clueless.... 18:49:19 so was i 18:49:33 boss is a mac person 18:49:40 no clue about w*s 18:49:41 * TheBlueWizard nods... 18:50:16 the more technical people know some windows, but not much about networking 18:50:27 I don't recall Mac machine being capable of being servers in any meaningful way.... 18:50:59 no gateway, firewall or anything like it. all w*s machines straight on the net ... 18:51:13 if they don't know much networking, then they are easy victim of network abuse (like planting DDoS stuff from a console :) 18:51:17 * speuler shakes head 18:51:43 you tell 'm 18:52:21 whoa...no firewall? whatta free air....(waving the flag that read "please break into these machines cuz cafe guys are so incredibly dumb!!!" :) 18:53:14 I handle the security stuff at work (I am not a full time security guy, but I know the ropes) 18:53:30 no security neither. i downloaded putty (ssh client for windows) and then run it 18:53:57 * speuler screams 18:54:09 I wouldn't touch those machines...these machines could be chock full of viruses, worms, trojans, zombies and whatever....eew! 18:54:30 * TheBlueWizard shakes his head 18:54:57 SSH usually won't work thru firewall...the fact that you can do it on the spot really shows.... 18:56:12 the weak-password cafe actually runs linux on all machines 18:56:41 I thought you said they're running Winblows.... 18:56:51 reasonably configured but weak spots 18:56:56 that's another cafe 18:57:32 ah 18:57:56 the win-one used i suppose no passwords at all 18:58:48 didn't check. what's a password good for if you can do anything anyway 18:59:19 no password at all? lunacy...anyone could rlogin onto these machine and start doing dirty stunts 18:59:34 rlogin on windows ? 19:00:36 the linux cafe has at least 20 weak passwords ... 19:00:44 * TheBlueWizard is now a bit confused 19:01:27 first you said winblows, then linux, and now windeath....can you sort them out? 19:02:05 from cafe, i need ssh . in the win cafe, i could donwload putty, and run it. in the linux-cafe, i need to lend me an existing account (to run ssh from command line) 19:02:35 it is "cafe A" and "cafe B" 19:03:06 i know home users who secure their systems better 19:03:44 ok...two separate cafes...one winralph, with no password at all, and one linux, with boatload of crackable passwords...am I following you right? 19:03:58 that's right 19:04:02 gotcha 19:04:51 * speuler would be crying now would i be manager of either 19:06:00 if the cracker is smart enough, it'd be possible to plant a spyware onto winloser, and then be able to do various attack at will...and it'd be easy to rlogin onto those linux boxes cuz of weak passwords...yeah, good idea to start crying 19:06:42 you don't need to be smart to plant netbus or bo 19:06:58 netbus? bo? 19:07:24 bo=back orifice. netbus=comparable, maybe more dangerous 19:08:15 ah (re: bo)...netbus, um....maybe I am missing out on its significance 19:08:48 plant either, and remote control the machine 19:08:58 * TheBlueWizard nods 19:10:20 i'm not malicious user. i only work around what keeps me from using machine in orderly way 19:10:59 * TheBlueWizard nods again 19:13:12 but it is sad sad sad that there's so little awareness of the potential dangers 19:14:13 yeah...so saaaad..... at least I hope they will learn the proverb "burn once, twice shy" 19:14:41 if not...then maybe they would enjoy being burned alive :) 19:20:56 how's isforth going ? 19:21:45 I440r is the project leader on that...and I haven't heard a peep from him in a long while...I know he's busy though 19:22:21 * speuler alias bongo 19:24:01 ah 19:25:27 btw, tomorrow, 9 p.m GMT, fig uk has their monthly meeting on ircnet, in channel #figuk 19:26:34 hmm....and that meansit starts at 5 EDT (I live near Wash DC) 19:27:53 about that time sounds right. they meet every 1st saturday 19:28:22 I see...and you attend those mtgs? 19:28:41 just looked, nobody arrived yet 19:29:15 not often - i haven't been at home on 1st saturday very often 19:30:00 (tomorrow would be my 3rd visit for more than 1 year 19:30:29 hmm 19:30:58 they probably won't remember me 19:32:03 heh 19:34:44 they got an - at least partly - on-line forth magazine 19:35:15 hmm 19:36:41 somewhere here : http://www.fig-uk.org/ 19:39:41 nice website 19:46:01 gotta crash 19:46:33 g'd night all 19:46:43 bye 19:55:21 got to go....bye all 19:55:27 --- part: TheBlueWizard left #forth 20:45:31 --- quit: aaronl (The name's X. 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