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01:32:33 <aaronl> hey I440r
01:33:19 <aaronl> I440r: i've been playing around with zsnes. it's a snes emulator writen in nasm. just got gpl'd. but it's pretty obscene -- assembles to a 3.9meg stripped binary
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10:33:33 <tcn> hello hello
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10:43:39 <I440r> fuck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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10:43:55 <I440r> dammit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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10:56:13 <I440r> hehe
10:56:19 <tcn> yo
10:56:27 <I440r> man u are slipier than a wet phish :P
10:56:33 <I440r> hehe
10:56:45 <I440r> ill be driving outa here soon... back to pa
10:56:48 <tcn> lucky for u i checked my mail again
10:56:51 <I440r> :)
10:57:12 <tcn> hey man, i'm quitting my job
10:57:16 <I440r> where ?
10:57:21 <I440r> oh quitting it..
10:57:25 <I440r> to do what ?
10:57:46 <tcn> dunno.. but i should have some energy for real programming
10:57:52 <I440r> cool
10:58:16 <I440r> ive been working on my 8051 forth, want to move some of the ideas i have there over to isforth
10:58:30 <tcn> like what ideas?
10:58:37 <I440r> and i want YOU to nag the ppl at sourceforge to make it possible for you to check shit in :P
10:58:55 <tcn> just go to tunes.org
10:59:05 <I440r> oh erm
10:59:28 <I440r> could you possibly change the name of the isforth tgz that you are distributing to include "unofficial" for now ?
10:59:36 <tcn> sure
10:59:37 <I440r> i realy dont consider isforth ready for distro yet
10:59:56 <I440r> add a note to say that you are an official developer but this isnt the official release yet :)
10:59:57 <I440r> YET
11:01:16 <I440r> my 8051 forth is almost ready for release hehe i jsut gottag et "word" working :P
11:01:19 <I440r> and number
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11:01:43 <I440r> how come ur quittin ur job ?
11:01:58 <tcn> offices suck
11:02:02 <I440r> i know :P~
11:02:14 <I440r> cubicles suck even more :P~
11:02:27 <tcn> hehe, get this - i'm trying to join a commune :)
11:02:36 <I440r> wtf for ?????????????/
11:02:37 <I440r> hehe
11:02:43 <I440r> where at ?
11:02:45 <I440r> isreal ?
11:02:48 <I440r> pakistan ?
11:02:53 <I440r> ethiopia ?
11:03:27 <tcn> virginia
11:03:28 <I440r> cyber-eria ?
11:03:33 <I440r> virginia hrm
11:03:36 <I440r> i droive thru there :)
11:03:46 <tcn> see any communes?
11:03:46 <I440r> on way to pensyltuckey
11:03:50 <I440r> nope
11:04:04 <I440r> the speed limit is 70mph and its night time by the time i get there :)
11:04:14 <tcn> hehe
11:04:15 <I440r> dont blink or ull miss me :)
11:04:27 <tcn> see any deer?
11:04:30 <I440r> yea
11:04:41 <I440r> mostly road kill but some live animules too
11:04:57 <tcn> heh, my buddy hit a dead one going 80
11:04:58 <I440r> grrr both etrade.com and vote.com are not responding grrr
11:05:05 <I440r> hehe
11:05:11 <I440r> it prolly didnt feel a thing then
11:05:15 <tcn> exhaust job.. :)
11:05:40 <tcn> he drives a honda CRX
11:05:53 <I440r> hehe u mean THAT can do 80mph ????
11:06:09 <tcn> given enough time
11:06:19 <I440r> needs a downhill and a tail wind rite ?
11:06:40 <tcn> just about.. my first car was almost the same model
11:06:52 <I440r> my first car was my 1965 mustang :)
11:07:15 <tcn> man, i was driving my stepdad's honda a little.. i say gimme my ford back!!
11:07:19 <I440r> learn 8051 man... get a job with my dads contrating agency :)
11:07:23 <tcn> need more power!!
11:07:38 <I440r> im its sole employee rite now hehe
11:07:42 <tcn> heh
11:07:44 <I440r> do REAL coding
11:07:49 <I440r> none of this windows shite
11:08:06 <tcn> really
11:08:28 <I440r> embedded control is PHUN!!!!
11:08:54 <tcn> i hear ya, but i'd rather do other stuff for a living
11:09:15 <I440r> i couldnt do other stuff, all i know is coding
11:09:20 <I440r> what u gona do man ?
11:09:30 <I440r> u gona be able to get online in ur comune ??? :)
11:09:34 <tcn> yeah
11:09:40 <I440r> get dsl :P
11:10:00 <tcn> these people aren't luddites
11:10:09 <I440r> hehe
11:10:19 <I440r> thats good :)
11:10:27 <tcn> i think they have a medium-speed line, out in the hills there..
11:10:35 <I440r> :)
11:10:52 <I440r> im hoping the house me and my dad are hoping to be buying can get a real line
11:10:58 <I440r> i dont think it can tho :(
11:11:04 <I440r> will have to co-locate purp
11:11:04 <I440r> grrr
11:11:10 <tcn> certainly enough bandwidth..for email and forth stuff
11:11:30 <I440r> i need MORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
11:11:31 <I440r> hehe
11:11:41 <I440r> can you get to www.vote.com or www.etrade.com ?
11:12:00 <tcn> ahh, who cares about 'full net presence'
11:12:07 <I440r> me :P~
11:12:48 <tcn> vote.com pings ok.. etrade don't
11:12:56 <I440r> i cant get to either
11:13:13 <I440r> try get to www.vote.com
11:13:20 <tcn> prolly got pHucKeN hAX0r3d
11:13:36 <I440r> no etrade isnt very well run
11:13:41 <I440r> they are down for  maintanance alot
11:13:58 <tcn> yahoo really sucks now too.. and they've taken over alot of other sites
11:14:31 <I440r> yahoo stock tracking opages are very fast tho
11:14:36 <I440r> alot better than bigcharts.com
11:14:55 <I440r> i baught 115 shares of cisco at 13.25
11:14:59 <tcn> i go to read a list at onelist.com, it takes me to yahoo instead, has a crappy interface, you hit 'search' and it says 'sorry, search isn't working for the time being'
11:14:59 <I440r> they are close to 19 now :)
11:15:15 <tcn> cool
11:15:19 <I440r> use google :P
11:15:28 <tcn> i do use google
11:15:34 <I440r> cant wait for cisco to climb back to 60 a share hehe
11:15:46 <I440r> taht will be $5000 + in profit hehe
11:16:27 <tcn> well people stopped buying new PC's
11:16:41 <I440r> not stopped, but its slowing down
11:16:54 <I440r> once you got a 900 mhz pc who cares about a 2 ghz pc
11:16:58 <tcn> if the industry can't grow, it must fail
11:17:01 <I440r> thers no difference that you can tell
11:17:32 <I440r> ppl stopped getting new pc's because they arent earning ennuff munnee to buy any
11:17:37 <tcn> right. I still use a 386 for some stuff. so do other people
11:17:42 <I440r> the ecnomy will improve sooner or later
11:18:11 <I440r> ppl are becoming dis satisfied with microsoft too
11:18:34 <tcn> you think we'll ever get out of growth/crash mode and get into a stable economy?
11:18:47 <I440r> stability would be bad
11:18:50 <I440r> u need flux
11:18:59 <I440r> stability = stagnant
11:19:27 <I440r> market crashes are just part of the market life cycle
11:19:39 <I440r> they are needed every so often to get rid of the dead wood :)
11:19:43 <I440r> like microsoft :)
11:19:54 <tcn> hahah
11:20:03 <tcn> intel & ibm :)
11:20:29 <tcn> compaq, motorola, yahoo, aol..
11:20:34 <I440r> ibm used to be bad now they sell linux :P~
11:20:44 <I440r> motorola isnt bad, they are just big
11:20:57 <tcn> at least ibm makes mostly SOLID stuff
11:21:04 <I440r> without motorola there would be no automotiv industry
11:21:09 <tcn> haha
11:21:24 <tcn> other way around :)
11:21:34 <I440r> both
11:21:53 <I440r> actually, i think the automotive industry is worse than microsoft
11:21:54 <tcn> you mean we could still fix our damn cars
11:22:02 <I440r> exactly
11:22:17 <I440r> we couldnt even change a dead headlight on my dads mountaineer the other week
11:22:19 <tcn> i wonder what kinda cars this commune has :)
11:22:25 <tcn> jesus christ
11:22:48 <tcn> mountaineer = explorer right?
11:22:56 <I440r> explorer++
11:23:08 <I440r> the NEW mountaieer is weird
11:23:13 <I440r> the transmission is sealed
11:23:18 <tcn> fuck that
11:23:20 <I440r> you NEVER change the oil
11:23:31 <I440r> 100% aluminum engine
11:23:36 <tcn> that's like a 100000 mile tune-up
11:24:11 <tcn> "oh yeah you don't need to change the plugs for 10 years, unless you want to get them out"
11:25:28 <I440r> neway
11:25:36 <I440r> have u been doing anything with isforth ?
11:25:39 <tcn> no
11:25:42 <I440r> i have,... indirectly hehe
11:25:54 <tcn> thinking a little :)
11:27:14 <I440r> yes but ive been working on my8051 forth...
11:27:20 <I440r> alot of that will port to isforth
11:27:31 <tcn> yeah
11:29:42 <tcn> if i put in that thing you emailed me, it might even run
11:29:55 <I440r> which thing was that ?
11:30:57 <tcn> umm
11:32:47 <tcn> forths.zip
11:33:11 <I440r> oh yea
11:33:19 <I440r> ive put that ide in my 8051 forth
11:33:29 <I440r> having word call expect if tehres noting in tib
11:35:27 <tcn> you think there's any sense doing major.minor.patch versioning?
11:35:34 <I440r> not yet
11:35:46 <tcn> as opposed to Release 1, 2, 3, etc..
11:35:49 <I440r> make a decision once a real forht is released
11:37:01 <tcn> when you change something you can never be sure you haven't broken compatibility.. and who wants up-to-the-minute half-assed code anyway?
11:37:49 <I440r> i dont wwant to release ANYTHING thats untested thats for sure
11:37:55 <I440r> oh
11:38:10 <I440r> i also dont like having ONE source file for both linux and bsd
11:38:16 <I440r> i think they should be different source files
11:38:20 <tcn> a 5 or 10 fear release cycle would be nice
11:38:21 <I440r> i hate taht in the linux kernel too
11:38:30 <tcn> yeah, i split those files out
11:38:36 <I440r> much better
11:38:55 <tcn> right, linux does that with CPU and other hardware
11:38:59 <I440r> u download 29384756298346759237845 gigs of linux kernel and use only 300 megs of the shit
11:39:11 <tcn> 30 meg kernel.. hhehe
11:39:16 <I440r> :)
11:39:26 <I440r> doh i need a shave :P
11:39:36 <tcn> if only modem technology could keep pace..
11:39:36 <I440r> not gona get one till tomorrow mornin tho
11:39:37 <I440r> grrr
11:39:53 <I440r> i prolly gtg real soon now
11:40:00 <I440r> i htink my dad is getting ready to hit the road
11:40:09 <I440r> the earlier we leave the sooner we arrive back at pa
11:40:17 <I440r> i log into the net from work via my laptop dood
11:40:24 <I440r> check in here from time to time during the day
11:40:29 <tcn> hey let's aim for a stripped-down bsd/linux, with mostly/all forth code running on it
11:40:55 <I440r> i also want to investicage making isforth kernel more modular
11:41:02 <tcn> and a simple forth-OS version for basic dos-type work
11:41:08 <I440r> lik e have a kernel that can load the compielr modules as it needs it
11:41:15 <I440r> or the assembler module
11:41:19 <tcn> yead
11:41:32 <I440r> the idea of making isforth a linux kernel module has some security issues
11:41:41 <I440r> that would make the linux kernel extensable
11:41:52 <I440r> and anything you extend it with will run in kernel mode
11:41:57 <I440r> would be able to do ANYTHING
11:42:13 <I440r> not a very secure thing if yuou ask me :)
11:42:23 <I440r> but i still want to investigate it
11:42:40 <I440r> maybe we could make the isforth kernel a linux module but the extentions to it run only in user mode
11:42:51 <I440r> that would be safe
11:44:05 <tcn> right
11:44:05 <tcn> not really necessary
11:44:05 <tcn> heh.. linux/bsd + asmutils + isforth
11:44:12 <tcn> you could prolly run that on a 386 and outperform a regular 2ghz server :)
11:44:36 <tcn> ya, compile kernel code on the fly
11:44:50 <tcn> just require root perms..
11:45:15 <I440r> rite
11:45:16 <I440r> brb
11:45:20 <tcn> ok
11:46:16 <I440r> back
11:46:40 <I440r> i had to ship my laptoip back to hp last week
11:46:46 <I440r> i b0rked a key grr
11:46:53 <I440r> and the fan was going bad
11:47:11 <I440r> im HOPING the puter was shipped back already and is waiting for me there
11:47:23 <tcn> heh
11:47:46 <tcn> I might pick up an old laptop
11:47:55 <tcn> IBM 386 would be nice
11:49:45 <I440r> i got a hp poavilion n3350
11:49:49 <I440r> argh
11:49:55 <I440r> hp pavilion n3350 even
11:53:14 <tcn> how long you gonna be consulting in PA?
11:55:27 <I440r> dunno
11:55:30 <I440r> a while i think hehe
11:55:39 <I440r> but uim buying a house in indiana soon i hope
11:55:48 <I440r> ill be leaving as soon as my dad has a shower
11:58:47 <tcn> ok, take care
11:59:10 <I440r> :)
11:59:13 <I440r> u 2 man
11:59:22 <I440r> and check in here during the day every so often
11:59:40 <tcn> hehe.. $30 for a 486/33 thinkpad
11:59:43 <tcn> on ebay
12:00:05 <I440r> :)
12:00:15 <I440r> how much ram
12:00:15 <tcn> i'm working till thursday
12:00:18 <I440r> how much drive ?
12:00:30 <tcn> oh 20MB ram
12:00:34 <I440r> not bad
12:00:40 <I440r> i got 128 megs in mine heheh
12:00:42 <tcn> plenty of HD i'm sure
12:00:54 <I440r> 6 gig here
12:01:05 <tcn> 120MB/8MB RAM works fine on my 386
12:01:12 <I440r> yup
12:01:21 <tcn> i have a 50 meg dos partition
12:01:36 <I440r> :)
12:01:42 <tcn> 50 for clienux
12:01:48 <I440r> i made my laptop dual boot :)
12:01:52 <tcn> 20 for Retro at some point
12:07:48 <tcn> see ya
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18:17:07 <TheBlueWizard> hiya all
18:45:15 <TheBlueWizard> gotta go...bye all
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