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14:05:54 <johanrussouw> hi aaronl_
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16:17:05 <johanrussouw> hi ree 
16:17:11 <johanrussouw> r u  a bot?
16:17:16 <johanrussouw> o a person?
16:17:16 <ree> hey johan
16:17:24 <ree> heh, the latter I believe =)
16:17:26 <johanrussouw> how r u?
16:17:32 <ree> good, you?
16:17:37 <johanrussouw> r u a forth programmer
16:17:40 <johanrussouw> i was
16:17:45 <johanrussouw> not anymore
16:17:46 <ree> nope, actually I do asm
16:18:26 <ree> I have a friend that is really into it
16:18:37 <ree> and I like anything that is extremely low level =)
16:19:26 <johanrussouw> jas
16:19:43 <johanrussouw> rebooting second pc
16:20:06 <johanrussouw> i like actually no-level code
16:20:35 <ree> no level? heh
16:20:49 <johanrussouw> i just invented the term 
16:20:56 <ree> hah
16:21:01 <ree> explain it then =)
16:21:10 <ree> please 
16:21:11 <johanrussouw> i am gonna no-level code
16:21:59 <johanrussouw> just a sec i wanna get help to get this stupid install working
16:23:09 <ree> what install?
16:23:47 <johanrussouw> redhat 6.2 with a redhat 7.0 cd
16:24:14 <ree> heh
16:24:20 <johanrussouw> no really
16:24:36 <ree> I believe you, just have no idea why =)
16:24:36 <johanrussouw> the 6.2 cd sbin/install crashes
16:24:51 <johanrussouw> i have to install 6.2
16:24:59 <johanrussouw> 7.0 install fine
16:25:09 <ree> required?
16:25:12 <ree> why install redhat at all
16:25:26 <johanrussouw> the kernel + install code requires it
16:25:42 <johanrussouw> i wanna get oracle 8i installed working
16:26:35 <johanrussouw> installed & working
16:26:51 <ree> do you need redhat for that?
16:27:25 <ree> so you're doing some sort of db thing?
16:29:44 <johanrussouw> i am doing nothing so far , expect installing linux distro's etc
16:29:59 <johanrussouw> and formatting harddisk etc
16:30:22 <johanrussouw> i am a Delphi database programmer a my full time job
16:30:49 <ree> ohh, sorry to hear that
16:30:50 <johanrussouw> i wanna move private into linux
16:30:51 <ree> j/k
16:32:09 <johanrussouw> i am now gonna copy the full CD to the stupid harddisk maybe then it will be happy
16:33:13 <ree> so what are you interested in
16:33:15 <ree> within computer
16:33:16 <ree> s
16:37:41 <johanrussouw> the tiny little silicon switches interest me most but 
16:37:50 <johanrussouw> 1. i cannnot see them
16:38:06 <johanrussouw> 2. i cannot change them easily
16:38:22 <johanrussouw> 3. the r to stupid to be of any use
16:38:37 <ree> heh
16:38:44 <ree> you took what I typed literally =)
16:38:55 <johanrussouw> 4. i am an electronic engineer graduate in 1985
16:38:56 <ree> but that's a start
16:39:12 <ree> cool, kinda weird that you're into linux then
16:39:31 <ree> the embodiement of all that is abstracted heh
16:41:24 <johanrussouw> yes live is weird
16:42:27 <ree> I like *nix
16:42:33 <ree> but I don't find it technically superior
16:42:55 <johanrussouw> what is *nix?
16:43:09 <johanrussouw> xunix lunix etc?
16:43:17 <ree> yeah
16:43:33 <johanrussouw> guess what my web domain is
16:43:38 <johanrussouw> junix.co.za
16:43:50 <johanrussouw> i am in south africa=za
16:43:54 <ree> yeah
16:44:01 <johanrussouw> its now 2:44
16:44:10 <ree> hmm, be on later?
16:44:34 <johanrussouw> i have to go bed soon or i will not be able to sleep at all tonight
16:45:05 <ree> keeping a sleeping schedule and working with computers do not mix
16:45:17 <johanrussouw> i will only be on again in 19 hours if i go off now
16:45:39 <johanrussouw> i have stupid full time boss
16:45:44 <ree> ohh, heh
16:45:48 <ree> pager type of job?
16:45:50 <johanrussouw> at home i do not work 4 him
16:45:58 <ree> BEEP BEEP BEEP
16:46:00 <ree> hehe
16:46:05 <johanrussouw> no 8-5
16:46:10 <ree> ahh
16:46:10 <johanrussouw> no beeper
16:46:19 <ree> I want to start another country heh
16:46:26 <ree> new society and etc
16:46:28 <johanrussouw> i will ignore it even if he could phone me
16:46:31 <ree> I was looking at sealand
16:46:47 <johanrussouw> i am gonna move to cyberland
16:47:42 <ree> cyberland?
16:48:29 <johanrussouw> cyberspace silly
16:48:35 <ree> ohh, heh
16:48:41 <ree> I meant physical territory =)
16:49:03 <johanrussouw> yes well sealand does not compute to me 2 a real place
16:49:12 <ree> it very much is
16:49:29 <ree> any place that can protect its own territory
16:49:55 <ree> even be it already within another country's territory
16:50:25 <johanrussouw> o poo i have to go to bed even if i do not want to , so good night and good luck
16:50:33 <johanrussouw> do u have windows?
16:50:35 <ree> hehe, night johan
16:50:38 <ree> well, sort of
16:50:38 <johanrussouw> msn messenger?
16:50:39 <ree> why?
16:50:52 <ree> ohh, why not use yahoo messenger?
16:51:00 <johanrussouw> need like a email addy or some such
16:51:03 <ree> it works on any os
16:51:10 <ree> azcn@yahoo.com
16:51:17 <ree> or sniffen@goodnet.com
16:51:25 <ree> but the above is permanent
16:51:25 <johanrussouw> i do not have yahoo install yet on the win me machine
16:51:31 <johanrussouw> wait
16:51:34 <ree> youu can also send to any address @ dist.org or dist.net
16:51:48 <ree> but I have to be connected for it to get to me
16:52:04 <ree> I'll be moving the sites to an actual host soon heh
16:52:40 <johanrussouw> what do u wanna host?
16:53:07 <johanrussouw> johanrussouw@hotmail.com might get to me
16:53:12 <ree> those two sites
16:53:19 <johanrussouw> what is your name
16:53:24 <ree> joseph moore
16:53:31 <johanrussouw> mine is johanrussouw
16:53:40 <ree> heh, nice to meet you johan
16:54:12 <johanrussouw> nice 2 meet u 2
16:54:31 <ree> have a great night
16:54:32 <johanrussouw> whenu bored go look at junix.co.za
16:54:44 <ree> heh, I'll do it right now
16:54:53 <johanrussouw> my personal temp  copied page is there now
16:54:54 <ree> same for dist.org/about =)
16:55:32 <johanrussouw> i am going there now
16:55:49 <ree> heh, religious eh? =)
16:56:35 <johanrussouw> not anymore really
16:56:43 <johanrussouw> does not really compute
16:57:04 <ree> ohh
16:57:11 <ree> I've used powwow before
16:57:37 <ree> well, I'm agnostic
16:57:42 <johanrussouw> well at&t still has a client but i could not get it working earlier
16:57:50 <johanrussouw> what does that mean?/
16:57:56 <johanrussouw> agnostic
16:57:57 <ree> but I prefer to study anything science/technology related
16:58:00 <johanrussouw> i am caustic
16:58:07 <ree> mythology is very interesting to me however
16:58:23 <ree> well, you neither believe a god exists or doesn't exist
16:58:25 <johanrussouw> well bible is a good myth
16:58:32 <ree> you believe there is no real evidence as of yet
16:58:45 <johanrussouw> what the heck is believe in anycasse
16:58:56 <johanrussouw> i do not believe u exists either
16:59:11 <johanrussouw> does that change the fact of your existence
16:59:18 <ree> heh, well, it all raises a interesting study
16:59:35 <ree> I'm open to any idea 
16:59:39 <johanrussouw> well where is your silly  site
16:59:47 <ree> eh?
16:59:56 <johanrussouw> i tried dist.org/about
17:00:04 <ree> yeah, should work
17:00:10 <johanrussouw> my browser gave nothing
17:00:22 <ree> try www.dist.org/about/
17:01:03 <johanrussouw> sorry  dist,(comma).org/abiut will not work 
17:01:33 <ree> does it work now?
17:03:22 <johanrussouw> yes its fine , i u wanna to i will host your site at my domain
17:03:42 <ree> hehe, thanks, but I think I need to host it myself
17:03:52 <ree> since it will require a lot of bandwidth
17:03:53 <johanrussouw> or just mirror it
17:04:03 <ree> and terabytes of space
17:04:11 <johanrussouw> do not go for one server only
17:04:14 <ree> well, that sounds cool
17:04:29 <ree> the project really isn't about the site
17:04:34 <ree> it's more about the dist system
17:04:58 <johanrussouw> the main idea behind your site what i read so far is what my main aim is with the internet
17:05:21 <johanrussouw> i have read the first page trying to find more to read
17:05:39 <ree> yeah, I am just adding content to it
17:05:45 <ree> I mostly do a lot of theory in my head
17:05:54 <ree> it's kind of hard to work it all out onto 'paper'
17:06:02 <ree> but I am starting to add content again
17:06:11 <ree> I went through a period of time where I couldn't concentrate at all
17:07:08 <johanrussouw> ree age?
17:07:19 <johanrussouw> yours?
17:07:25 <ree> 20
17:07:30 <johanrussouw> i c
17:07:33 <johanrussouw> i am 39
17:07:43 <johanrussouw> married?
17:07:43 <ree> in fact, just today I started thinking on topic in my head
17:07:47 <johanrussouw> i am not
17:07:47 <ree> I over think a lot of things
17:07:51 <ree> no
17:07:57 <johanrussouw> gf?
17:08:04 <ree> heh, no
17:08:06 <johanrussouw> education?
17:08:08 <ree> no real time
17:08:12 <ree> not much
17:08:15 <ree> I traveled a lot
17:08:17 <ree> with my family
17:08:22 <johanrussouw> u in usa?
17:08:25 <ree> I got up to abotu 9th grade
17:08:27 <ree> yeah
17:08:38 <johanrussouw> and comp skills?
17:08:48 <johanrussouw> programming skills?
17:08:49 <ree> about 10 years
17:08:55 <ree> studying every day
17:08:58 <johanrussouw> web experience?
17:09:09 <johanrussouw> what have u acheived?
17:09:16 <ree> assembly, c, c++, java, tcp/ip programming, operating system concepts
17:09:27 <ree> just mainly theories
17:09:36 <johanrussouw> what have u done which is original?
17:09:37 <ree> I'm the type that like to think rather than do
17:09:45 <ree> well, I am working on that now
17:09:50 <ree> the dist society/system
17:09:57 <johanrussouw> like 99.999% of the population
17:10:09 <ree> which involves reflective self modifying code written in machine code/assembly
17:10:12 <johanrussouw> they all like to think not do
17:10:27 <ree> yeah, but I also think of doing =)
17:10:29 <johanrussouw> which asm?
17:10:33 <ree> I go through stages
17:10:36 <ree> x86
17:10:38 <ree> and m68k
17:10:55 <johanrussouw> yes 99.9999999% also think of doing what they thinking about
17:11:12 <ree> well, I didn't say I was any different from others heh
17:11:22 <johanrussouw> i know
17:11:23 <ree> I just want to make a difference
17:11:36 <ree> and I've been planning to do so for about 5 years
17:11:38 <johanrussouw> and i did expect u 2 be different
17:11:48 <johanrussouw> i have been for 20 years now
17:12:35 <johanrussouw> k i have to go to bed really now
17:12:39 <ree> heh, ok
17:12:42 <ree> nice talking to you
17:12:45 <ree> talk with you later?
17:12:57 <johanrussouw> do u have a linux or windows machine or both?
17:13:33 <ree> freebsd I use actually
17:13:38 <johanrussouw> no u not gonna talk to me later i an going to transend my mere physical existinces
17:13:40 <ree> two freebsd machines, win me, 4 macs
17:14:02 <johanrussouw> how r u connected to the net
17:14:13 <johanrussouw> dsl isdn cable?
17:14:15 <ree> I've used several linux distributions, solaris, bsd/os, *bsd
17:14:17 <ree> os/2, win*
17:14:21 <ree> just a modem
17:14:22 <ree> 56k
17:14:26 <ree> freebsd connects me
17:14:28 <johanrussouw> np
17:14:39 <ree> chat/pppd
17:14:40 <johanrussouw> i have no prob with
17:14:46 <johanrussouw> r u rich or poor
17:14:57 <ree> poor
17:15:03 <ree> but live rich
17:15:05 <johanrussouw> or rather i gather u stay with parents
17:15:11 <ree> yeah, my mother
17:15:15 <johanrussouw> good
17:15:21 <johanrussouw> where is father
17:15:28 <ree> heh, not here
17:15:32 <johanrussouw> dead or divorced
17:15:45 <johanrussouw> seperated?
17:15:49 <ree> divorced
17:15:50 <ree> why?
17:15:52 <johanrussouw> my mother died 1999
17:15:56 <ree> yeah, I read that
17:15:58 <ree> sorry to hear
17:16:00 <johanrussouw> info exchange
17:16:37 <ree> well, lots of weird things have gone on with me
17:16:47 <ree> but none really worth meantioning 
17:16:53 <johanrussouw> u r young and rather useless 2 me if u r not honest and forthcoming , cuase i trust people first , before i distrust
17:16:58 <ree> none that hopefully will effect the future that is
17:17:11 <johanrussouw> i will if u choose 
17:17:17 <johanrussouw> sorry
17:17:30 <ree> well, privacy is not dishonesty =)
17:17:36 <johanrussouw> it will if u choose 4 it 2 to do so (influence)
17:18:10 <johanrussouw> there is a difference between privacy and secrecy 
17:18:31 <johanrussouw> and paranio and foolishness
17:18:37 <johanrussouw> i am go to foolish
17:18:57 <johanrussouw> i lean 2 foolishness
17:19:12 <ree> heh, in todays society, paranoia and foolishness are the two qualities all of us have
17:19:13 <johanrussouw> but no matter
17:19:27 <johanrussouw> i have no paranio
17:19:52 <johanrussouw> but i am foolish in  most peoples eyes
17:20:18 <ree> we're human, if we weren't foolish it'd be strange
17:20:18 <johanrussouw> cause 4 the people i choose to interact with i make a difference
17:20:35 <johanrussouw> because that how u change the world
17:20:56 <johanrussouw> by starting to change those most close to u
17:21:13 <ree> I'm not sure if I believe in that
17:21:17 <ree> the change part
17:21:30 <ree> all you should hope to be is a influence
17:21:44 <ree> leave the rest up to nature
17:22:35 <ree> 10 years doing assembly, nice 
17:22:42 <johanrussouw> yes well do assign absolute meaning to my words
17:22:46 <johanrussouw> do ntp
17:22:50 <johanrussouw> do not
17:23:06 <johanrussouw> u said u wanna make differnce
17:23:09 <johanrussouw> correct
17:23:11 <johanrussouw> well
17:23:12 <ree> I don't think I'm educated or social enough to
17:23:18 <ree> yeah, I do
17:23:21 <johanrussouw> that what i was talking about
17:23:37 <ree> but that doesn't really mean a difference to others
17:23:47 <johanrussouw> u start by machine a difference to those closest to u
17:23:49 <ree> I appreciate other humans entirely though
17:24:01 <ree> but I also respect their choices
17:24:02 <ree> or try to
17:24:06 <ree> sometimes it is hard 
17:24:18 <ree> like your example of your mother drinking
17:24:25 <johanrussouw> u u cannot make a difference at home to the people there and at home and like lower level 
17:24:36 <ree> I don't think any of us know the proper way of handling such problems
17:24:49 <johanrussouw> if u cannot make a difference on your PC
17:25:05 <johanrussouw> like your PC is like the 10 billion other pc's
17:25:22 <johanrussouw> the same os'es the same programs etc
17:25:39 <johanrussouw> then u are never gonna make any difference
17:25:59 <ree> I don't like current hardware
17:26:02 <johanrussouw> to make a difference , u yourself have to be different
17:26:24 <ree> I want to bring the ability of controlling your own influences into each person's life
17:26:28 <johanrussouw> yes wish for something u never gonna have
17:26:36 <ree> nanotech, artificial intelligence, etc
17:26:52 <ree> well, that's a opinion
17:26:53 <johanrussouw> yes but u need proper programs for that
17:27:03 <ree> and that is what dist is for
17:27:03 <johanrussouw> to create these systems
17:27:13 <johanrussouw> yes that why i liked it
17:27:23 <johanrussouw> that why i offered to help u
17:27:31 <johanrussouw> or rather contrib
17:27:48 <ree> well, I really appreciate that
17:27:50 <johanrussouw> but u want the 10 terabytes first 
17:27:58 <ree> nope
17:28:02 <johanrussouw> and 1000mips connection
17:28:07 <ree> this system is modeled so that it can work even on low end hardware
17:28:16 <ree> I could even work it out on paper
17:28:26 <ree> which is contrast to current artificial intelligence design
17:28:29 <johanrussouw> yes that was your first response 2 me when i offered to help
17:28:50 <johanrussouw> yes so implement something simple
17:28:51 <ree> well, the reason I rejected was because it wouldn't be fair to you
17:29:01 <ree> or the others who have offered help
17:29:13 <ree> there are lots of problems with current system development
17:29:25 <ree> and I've in the past had a lot of problems with concentration
17:29:32 <johanrussouw> if u ever wanna get anywhere in live you do not start by reject help
17:29:48 <ree> so when I start to get talking and explaining the system to others, conversation gets messed uup
17:30:00 <ree> well, dist has been changed about 10 times
17:30:04 <johanrussouw> yes why do u not bring all those who wanna help together
17:30:09 <ree> each time I've lost people who helped
17:30:23 <ree> I don't want to go through that again
17:30:33 <ree> not many people want to change their mind on a issue as often as I do
17:30:37 <johanrussouw> the first test to having something
17:30:45 <johanrussouw> step
17:30:59 <johanrussouw> is to let it go completely
17:31:08 <johanrussouw> if it comes back to you
17:31:16 <johanrussouw> only then it is truely youras
17:31:18 <johanrussouw> yours
17:31:27 <ree> that doesn't happen in computer land
17:31:29 <johanrussouw> like an idea
17:31:37 <johanrussouw> yes and u know why?
17:31:39 <ree> I don't really want it to be just mine
17:31:59 <johanrussouw> because we all want ownerships because we want control
17:32:06 <ree> I don't want either
17:32:07 <johanrussouw> yes u do
17:32:35 <johanrussouw> u just do not realize it or the people who wanted to help u did not
17:32:41 <ree> I want it to actually get developed in something I have in my mind
17:32:49 <ree> after that, anyone can use it to their liking
17:33:03 <ree> I think I have the right idea
17:33:06 <johanrussouw> yes but first u have to share it
17:33:14 <ree> it isn't "it"
17:33:16 <ree> that is the point
17:33:19 <ree> it isn't anywhere yet
17:33:19 <johanrussouw> and guess what
17:33:46 <johanrussouw> u r gonna find out a lot of people already thought among simliar lines
17:34:03 <ree> I am sure they have
17:34:05 <johanrussouw> yes but remember a plant starts with a seed
17:34:21 <ree> and the seed starts from a plant
17:34:24 <johanrussouw> and seeds need water and ground
17:34:37 <johanrussouw> if u wanna be difficult
17:34:53 <johanrussouw> it all starts from a cell
17:34:58 <ree> I don't want to be difficult, I just want this to be successful enough that I can use it
17:35:14 <ree> if it wasn't me starting the project, it wouldn't be shaped after my ideas
17:35:30 <johanrussouw> yes the success of an idea should not be its first consideration
17:35:51 <johanrussouw> its shoulf be formaluated first
17:35:55 <ree> so you are saying I should always remain skeptic of my own creations?
17:35:56 <johanrussouw> should be
17:36:02 <johanrussouw> like stated
17:36:11 <ree> and you are saying that it should be formaluated not by me
17:36:14 <ree> but by a group of people
17:36:21 <johanrussouw> no no
17:36:23 <ree> formulated rather
17:36:29 <johanrussouw> u r thinking to fast
17:36:33 <ree> dist is in the formula stage
17:36:42 <johanrussouw> stick to convo
17:36:44 <ree> once I get it somewhere
17:36:48 <ree> anyone can use it to their liking
17:36:50 <johanrussouw> yes that fine
17:36:51 <ree> in their own ways
17:36:55 <johanrussouw> share the idea
17:37:02 <ree> that is sharing the idea
17:37:13 <ree> my point is that the idea is still not formed heh
17:37:18 <johanrussouw> yes u r doing the right thing
17:37:27 <johanrussouw> i am critizing u
17:37:32 <johanrussouw> yes i know
17:37:41 <johanrussouw> i am not crizting u
17:37:57 <johanrussouw> i always for some reason forget to type not
17:38:14 <johanrussouw> i have done it a million time
17:38:17 <johanrussouw> time
17:38:26 <johanrussouw> please respond
17:38:33 <ree> hmm?
17:38:50 <ree> well, I really appreciate your want to help out the project
17:39:13 <ree> I just want to return the favor and not exploit your kindness
17:39:14 <johanrussouw> no i do not really wanna help u
17:39:21 <johanrussouw> i wanna help myself
17:39:27 <ree> yesw
17:39:32 <ree> well, that's always assumed
17:39:43 <johanrussouw> me 1. u 2. rest of world 3.
17:40:01 <johanrussouw> no but honestly i wanna help u
17:40:37 <ree> well, I know you want to go to sleep, so we can try to talk further through email perhaps
17:40:38 <johanrussouw> because if u r nearer to 1. then i am nearer to 2.
17:40:48 <johanrussouw> i do not like email 
17:40:54 <ree> and later yahoo messenger, which my user name is azcn, same as yahoo account
17:40:58 <johanrussouw> cause i do not have it at work
17:41:09 <johanrussouw> yes i have written that down
17:41:14 <ree> I never really use email myself either
17:41:29 <ree> I am sort of isolated from a lot of things
17:41:31 <johanrussouw> i have started on the net with chat
17:41:41 <johanrussouw> do not offer personal info
17:41:56 <johanrussouw> like u r isolated etc
17:42:12 <johanrussouw> i will gather that without u telling me that
17:42:33 <johanrussouw> like me telling u i am a kind person
17:42:37 <johanrussouw> or a rude person
17:43:01 <johanrussouw> u have to decide that wheter i am rude or kind
17:43:07 <ree> I call myself a researcher, but I tend to only be interested in my own ideas 
17:43:22 <ree> well, I am sort of neutral on the behavior of others
17:43:27 <ree> they behave like they behave
17:43:36 <ree> not for me to judge
17:43:39 <johanrussouw> well where is the greatest source of data u have to work on
17:43:46 <ree> unless it relates to how I might function in the future
17:44:05 <ree> other's heads and past research
17:44:12 <johanrussouw> the data in your head , the ideas about yourself etc
17:44:28 <ree> dist will combine it all
17:44:38 <ree> organize, then automate the construction phase
17:44:46 <johanrussouw> is what u must process first before u can start process etx info
17:45:08 <johanrussouw> well have u implemeneted that idea in your own head
17:45:15 <ree> I am working on it
17:45:22 <ree> need to document some of the ideas first
17:45:34 <johanrussouw> like implemeneting a dist system in your own head
17:45:36 <ree> the system is implemented through 'binary maps'
17:45:53 <johanrussouw> i really mean u must reprogram yourself
17:45:55 <ree> so technically it could be worked out on paper or computer or other fields of science
17:45:59 <ree> yeah
17:46:08 <ree> I know, I spent a lot of time researching that fact
17:46:27 <ree> and in all ways it reflects how I think
17:46:28 <johanrussouw> no no do not research implement
17:46:31 <ree> which goes without saying
17:46:35 <johanrussouw> yes of course
17:46:44 <ree> I am trying to get the experience thing down
17:46:52 <ree> but I have no real driving force behind me
17:47:05 <ree> other than just hope for the future
17:47:07 <johanrussouw> because your program your brain by running the programs over and over again
17:48:21 <johanrussouw> there is no better driving force than the hope that the future is gonna be a better place for 1. me 2. my mother 3. friends 4, rest if world
17:48:35 <johanrussouw> not necessary in that order
17:48:35 <ree> well, there is 
17:48:42 <ree> but I don't want a part of it
17:49:05 <johanrussouw> hope for the future is the most honest and pure driving force there is
17:49:19 <johanrussouw> u do not wanna be part of what
17:49:29 <ree> industry
17:49:31 <ree> money
17:49:39 <ree> most honest and pure, yes
17:49:51 <ree> I'd argue about best driving force
17:50:21 <johanrussouw> i do not c your point
17:50:29 <johanrussouw> what do u really wanna say
17:51:17 <johanrussouw> that u r not motivated by money or power but by the desire to contribute / make a difference
17:51:25 <ree> I'm saying that hope of the future doesn't drive people more than other feelings
17:51:38 <ree> I'm saying I could be motivated by both
17:51:43 <ree> but I try not to be
17:51:45 <johanrussouw> i am not talking about other people
17:51:53 <johanrussouw> i am talking 2 u about u
17:52:01 <johanrussouw> and maybe about me
17:52:03 <ree> but you said that there is no better driving force than hope
17:53:13 <johanrussouw> just a sec i have hit a snag with my install i wanna ask help
17:53:21 <ree> it's a constant struggle not to be influenced by others
17:55:07 <johanrussouw> yes and ?
17:55:10 <johanrussouw> so what?
17:55:12 <johanrussouw> thats life
17:55:34 <ree> yes, it is
17:55:40 <ree> in current society
17:55:55 <ree> where we have a population of over 7 billion
17:56:01 <ree> and industry is number one
17:56:20 <johanrussouw> yes and?
17:56:45 <ree> I was just making a point heh
17:57:57 <johanrussouw> yes so?
17:57:57 <ree> well, I need to disconnect for a little bit
17:58:05 <ree> so talk to you later?
17:58:13 <johanrussouw> okay well i am not gonna sleep tonight
17:58:23 <johanrussouw> cause it already 4:00
17:58:29 <ree> heh, sorry about that
17:58:40 <ree> I think it's better to sleep anyway
17:58:43 <johanrussouw> if i go to bed now i will be 2 tired to go work
17:59:09 <ree> well, I should be back on in a little
17:59:09 <johanrussouw> no i can stay awake for 36 hours and then sleep 12 hours
17:59:17 <johanrussouw> ok tks
17:59:35 <ree> later =)
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18:00:53 <TheBlueWizard> hiya all
18:05:04 <johanrussouw> H TheBlueWizard
18:05:27 <johanrussouw> HI
18:05:30 <johanrussouw> hi
18:05:34 <TheBlueWizard> hiya johanrussouw
18:06:05 <johanrussouw> how r u?
18:06:17 <TheBlueWizard> ok....sleepy though :)
18:07:07 <johanrussouw> its 4:07 and i have not slpet
18:07:15 <johanrussouw> and i might not at all
18:07:42 <TheBlueWizard> insomniac, eh?
18:09:23 <johanrussouw> no
18:09:30 <johanrussouw> i am over my sleep time
18:09:31 <TheBlueWizard> k :)
18:09:38 <johanrussouw> but i might go to bed now
18:09:51 <TheBlueWizard> ok...feel free :)
18:10:53 <johanrussouw> how r u besides sleepy?
18:11:01 <johanrussouw> financialy?
18:11:06 <johanrussouw> ematioanllly?
18:11:11 <johanrussouw> spiritually?
18:11:35 <johanrussouw> physically etc?
18:12:27 <TheBlueWizard> finacially quite stable....employed, but unhappy in current job....emotionally, hmm...dunno....spiritually...upbeat I guess.....physically sleepy :)
18:12:56 <johanrussouw> k good answer lots of .... but cool
18:13:09 <johanrussouw>  well i am off to bed and logging off
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18:13:16 <TheBlueWizard> <blink>  cool?
18:13:29 <TheBlueWizard> bye....trop tarde
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19:13:10 <TheBlueWizard> hiya ree
19:13:16 <ree> hey blue
19:13:20 <ree> how goes it?
19:13:28 <TheBlueWizard> ok
19:20:36 <ree> heh, still there?
19:20:47 <TheBlueWizard> yep
19:22:49 <ree> so how has coding been?
19:22:55 <ree> I haven't been here for awhile
19:28:50 <TheBlueWizard> haven't done much coding of late
19:28:56 <TheBlueWizard> been busy...
19:29:42 <ree> yeah, I haven't been able to concentrate for months, just started to be able to _today_
19:29:56 <TheBlueWizard> hmm....
19:39:50 <TheBlueWizard> gotta go to bed...take care!
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19:39:58 <ree> you too =)
19:52:36 <ree> hmm
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