00:00:00 --- log: started forth/01.02.20 01:21:58 --- join: aaronl__ (aaronl@vitelus.com) joined #forth 01:24:31 --- quit: aaronl_ (barnes.openprojects.net herbert.openprojects.net) 01:31:56 --- join: adu (andrew@adsl-63-201-88-152.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #forth 01:32:25 'lo 01:42:24 hi 01:42:29 its been awhile 01:42:33 2 whole days 01:49:27 what's up? 01:49:37 alot actually 01:49:58 i'm entering a really great dev group on a gaming proj 01:50:00 its really fun 01:50:02 I had a look at your windows notes but I thought it could've been clearer as to what were the key new ideas 01:50:11 oh, cool 01:50:35 are you talking about rws? 01:50:43 yes 01:50:47 oo cool 01:51:02 so you understand vuegly how its useful.... 01:51:39 do u? 01:52:14 I don't think so 01:52:22 so i should point out things that rws lets you do over conventional GUIs? 01:53:12 like why would I want to use it instead of an existing project (or contribute to it) 01:53:53 on my froth page I started out with a short list of design goals and then a link to why it's a good thing 01:54:13 hmm 01:54:29 because existing projects are based on bad guis? 01:54:37 which are the first things I'd like to know about a project 01:54:47 i'm not good at convincing people 01:54:54 I mean existing gui projects 01:55:37 i think to understand rws you haveto hate today's guis 01:55:58 maybe not 01:56:14 but even so... it would help 01:56:26 fair enough, but there are other I -hate-today's-guis things too 01:56:28 if you don't hate today's guis then you have to reason to help with the project 01:56:44 like shell apps? 01:57:06 the terminal isn't that bad imho 01:57:11 (I'm not saying don't work on this, just that explaining why youo think this is the right thing would tell me what this actually is) 01:57:46 well, like oberon and acme and ratpoison and clim and... 01:58:08 its just a graphical layout system binded with object-oriented methods & events 01:59:27 oh, and curl 01:59:30 the core widgets are just images. widgets come from combining these and adding methods the them 02:00:00 its like HTML in a way 02:00:10 and seeing how many good things have come from html... 02:00:39 curl? 02:00:47 I mentioned it last time 02:00:54 a language? 02:01:15 http://www.cag.lcs.mit.edu/curl/ 02:01:23 so do you get it? 02:02:27 maybe 02:03:21 curl is like html with the possibility of binding methods to things 02:03:30 the key point is the SpecificWidgetGroups and GenericWidgetGroups 02:04:29 all they are is data about which core widgets to use, plus methods 02:04:54 all the widget's images are handled by rws 02:05:16 and this makes it themable? 02:05:22 yes 02:05:27 did you get froth running, btw? 02:05:37 nope 02:05:40 how do conventional guis make it themable? 02:05:47 hm, what was the problem? 02:05:49 i tried but i forgot what the error was 02:06:14 demoncrat: by replacing the look of every single complex widget 02:06:39 I see 02:06:48 or by having the lib check a file and draw from settings... 02:07:00 like GTK 02:07:34 you could probably implement it as a program.... like squeak 02:08:05 --- quit: ult (Read error to ult[149.149.205.69]: Connection reset by peer) 02:08:27 --- join: ult (ult@149.149.205.69) joined #forth 02:08:44 hi ult 02:09:08 cool 02:09:45 i think thats how i should start implementing it 02:10:09 i wanted it for a really low-level os, but i figured i didn't need it that low-level 02:10:31 sounds like something I'd do on top of an existing one to start out 02:10:32 the widget groups and the core wiglets allow for small size as well... 02:10:47 i would think... 02:11:55 i'm going to go now 02:11:58 later 02:11:59 i'll see ya around 02:12:04 thanx for looking into rws 02:12:07 i appreciate it 02:12:18 --- quit: adu (BitchX-75p1 -- just do it.) 02:43:21 --- quit: demoncrat (Leaving) 03:06:44 --- quit: Fare (Ping timeout for Fare[195.154.50.66]) 05:16:46 --- join: Fare (fare@ppp22-net1-idf2-bas1.isdnet.net) joined #forth 08:30:24 --- topic: set to 'http://isforth.sourceforge.net -- http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/isforth/?cvsroot=isforth' by ChanServ 09:18:10 --- join: edrx (edrx@200.240.18.65) joined #forth 09:39:06 --- quit: edrx ([x]chat) 10:47:47 --- quit: ult (Read error to ult[149.149.205.69]: Connection reset by peer) 10:48:49 --- join: ult (ult@149.149.205.69) joined #forth 11:06:49 --- quit: ult (Read error to ult[149.149.205.69]: EOF from client) 12:07:49 --- nick: aaronl__ -> aaronl 14:00:56 * aaronl is away: STAR TREK 14:03:11 * aaronl is back (gone 00:02:15) 14:17:03 --- join: I440r (mark4@purplecoder.com) joined #forth 14:17:16 ne1 awake ? 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