00:00:01 --- log: started forth/01.02.10 00:00:01 so, perhaps be responsible for photographs, etc. 00:00:24 I will probably have to learn some financial things though, since I am not sure I can trust anyone else with that kind of thing 00:00:43 and you would copyright the material? 00:01:11 the fact of the matter is, unless a record company or other entity with some kind of backing would allow me full priviledge and freedom to my work 00:01:15 I will have to handle everything myself 00:01:27 well, to protect from others stealing what I have done, I would think I would have to 00:01:41 not that I think I would end up doing things that other people would want to 00:02:00 the fact of the matter is, I will probably never get good enough nor ever receive enough respect for my work 00:02:05 but I want to try my best =) 00:02:08 hehe 00:03:10 in end, I would like to be responsible for a number of musical and musical-technological innovations 00:03:16 not a chance, but fun trying =) 00:03:26 hehe 00:03:41 how about yourself? 00:03:41 what kind of music are you toying with right now? 00:03:57 me? i have very few goals 00:04:17 i want to survive high school, get into a good college, study something interesting, and take it from there 00:04:24 the closest thing I can call it synthesized-instrumental....although I am leaning towards a little new-agey at the moment 00:04:28 that's a sound goal 00:04:34 not so far-fetched and stupid like my goal =) 00:04:49 i'm interested in physics, CS, engineering, and math, so it shouldn't be hard to find something i like to do 00:05:04 if it is truly that generic, I would think not! 00:05:05 although i would prefer to avoid an academic career 00:05:14 haha, I know 00:05:48 well, you have to understand that i'm just getting introduced to much of this. i'll have to expiriment before i know what my exact skills are and what i enjoy most 00:05:51 my father has an PHd in electrical-engineering....he had a very difficult time getting any kind of jobs beyond openings at various schools 00:06:12 my father too 00:06:14 he never accepted any of them after his graduate days....but it really didn't come in handy all that much 00:06:21 but he doesnt have trouble geting jobs 00:06:29 he tends to start companies ;-) 00:06:32 interesting 00:06:33 i wouldn't want to do that though 00:06:36 ahh 00:06:42 well, that's entirely different! =) 00:06:44 too much adimistrative work 00:06:48 I wouldn't either to be honest 00:07:00 i'd rather be doing creative work 00:07:04 although, I think that is what I will have to do to survive in the slightest 00:07:07 so would I 00:07:27 hmm, come to think of it any work would be better than school :) 00:07:36 working at VA Linux was so much better than school 00:07:50 I never seen such a terrible lack of respect for the individual than in school 00:07:58 great job, cool people, fun skills, lotsa bandwidth, no homework, and i got paid:) 00:08:00 I have heard prison at least respects your rights as an individual more 00:08:07 even if far worse 00:08:10 yes, school gives you no rights 00:08:19 especiallly my horrible private school 00:08:29 which denies your right to wear jeans 00:08:31 I went to a private school for a year, myself 00:08:35 I did not have a dress code 00:08:36 i serriously want to leave 00:08:42 but I have no privacy to speak of 00:08:42 i cannot stand dress codes 00:09:06 I don't particularly like them....but I do not like mental and psychological confinements 00:09:11 I feel this is far worse than what I wear 00:09:20 and I feel that most of the world is just that 00:09:22 hmm 00:09:30 can you elaborate? 00:09:36 i know that my school is pretty open mentally 00:09:40 but not psycholocially 00:09:48 there are very good teachers 00:09:54 my feeling is that much of the world is set on defining limitations on everything you do 00:10:01 it's how the system works, I think 00:10:18 a free mind is a dangerous mind, and counterproductive to needs of the "grand scheme" of things 00:10:20 i just wish that all my classes weren't pushed down my throat 00:10:51 well, what would you change about your school experience? 00:10:51 so, they preoccupy you with mundane bs, circumstantially of course, in the hope you will be too tired in the end to fight it 00:10:52 =) 00:10:57 everything =) 00:11:07 I would ask to be schooled at home on the things I wanted to do 00:11:30 i'm mainly interested in learning. and a lot of the learning is great. i just wish they would cut the "spirit" crap and let me choose what i wanted to study. then give me freedom and individuality 00:11:37 because I think with the proper instruction, eventually...I would find myself nearly if not more educated than those who are handed defined curriculum 00:11:55 simply because I *want* to learn, and I *like* learning when I think it is great or applicable to what I will do 00:11:56 the sad thing is that it should be easier to just teach in schoo; why don't they? 00:12:31 if I am wrong...that is my fault...and no one elses....part of life I believe is the discovery....both through mistakes and discoveries...not someone telling you "this is tried and thoroughly tested...this works on ALMOST everyone" 00:12:47 "no, there is no chance you could be different from those we tested it on, so you will have to put it up with it" 00:12:54 hah 00:12:56 sounds familiar 00:13:23 they don't want individuality, they want a "productive member of society" 00:13:23 =) 00:13:37 if it sounds like I have an axe to grind, you would be right =) 00:15:00 well, schools do need to educate the lower levels of society 00:15:12 it's unfortunate, but someone has to do the dirty work 00:15:28 my school is a bit different, since it's relatively advanced 00:15:46 but in a public school i can see a sort of sociological need to churn out productive citizens 00:15:47 I do believe that 1/25 of the world is dogged and torn down by the other 24/25 00:16:05 and those that make it are lucky enough to even use a part of their "promise" 00:16:15 the rest will never see just how good they could be 00:16:17 right 00:16:54 I was three grades ahead of everyone in my reading and math (despite being mostly self-taught...particularly in my reading and writing) 00:17:09 they basically force-fed dick&jane curriculum to me 00:17:18 i can identify with that 00:17:25 I think it caused quite a bit of damage to my functional mathematical and grammatical skills 00:17:37 as a result, I will never truly be proficient with either 00:17:56 fortunately this school is better than most in that area. i'm taking AP CS and actually learning things 00:17:59 I will sort of on the fringe of being truly proficient and looking at both subjects from the outside =) 00:18:08 there's a computer science teacher who actually knows more than i do! that's a first! 00:18:10 wow...you learned something? that is a great school =) 00:18:15 neat! 00:18:28 yeah, you certainly know a lot more about computers than I do =) 00:18:40 she was writing IA64 tools at HP but she wanted to teach :) great teacher. 00:18:46 wow 00:22:52 speaking of HP, I should see if I can beg an old HP64000 development computer off of Kurzweil Music 00:23:15 it's an old computer from 1984...but it would be great machine to work with the 150's internal operating system with 00:24:37 hehe 00:24:45 well, i think i'll be heading to sleep 00:24:47 cost 100K in its day 00:24:57 alright, I apologize for boring the hell out of you with my rants 00:25:07 : ) 00:25:14 please take care, and thanks again for the pleasant discussion =) 00:25:17 I enjoyed it =) 00:25:23 see ya :) 00:25:26 you're an interesting person =) 00:25:30 hehe 00:26:39 * aaronl is away: sleep 00:26:47 talk to ya later 00:26:52 good luck with the music 00:27:00 thank you! 00:27:06 keep up the good work with your programming 00:27:12 a definitive talent, I would imagine =) 00:27:19 thanks, i'll try to start being creative with it 00:27:25 I am sure you already are 00:27:45 whether or not you have actually come up with an "original project", not withstanding 00:28:25 not as creative as i'd like to be. but i'm constantly doing new things. i think eventually i'll be able to get stuff out of my more ambitious projects 00:29:00 I am sure 00:29:09 thanks :) 00:29:15 nothing like a little hearty creative ambition to spice one's life up =) 00:29:26 ok, i'm really away now ... 00:29:29 :) 00:29:30 haha, of course 00:29:35 pleasant dreams =) 00:29:38 --- quit: aaronl (night falls) 01:19:49 --- join: adu (andrew@adsl-63-201-90-133.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #forth 01:20:09 i'm confused 01:24:10 it's alright 01:24:20 everyone has to come out of the closet sometime 01:24:24 j/k 01:24:28 what's the problem? 01:27:20 do you know ppc asm? 01:27:35 5ace2eb0 addis r12,r12,0xe 01:27:35 5ace2eb4 lwz r12,0x5bf8(r12) 01:27:52 I am afraid I don't know enough to be of much use =) 01:27:57 my apologies 01:28:17 two weeks ago I wasn't so bad 01:28:23 but I seemed to have forgotten most of it 01:28:31 bad memory I guess :P 01:28:34 i don't understand this because if it was static, then it could just do lwz r12,0x5c02(e12) 01:29:03 *shrug* 01:29:06 n/m 01:29:20 sorry about that :P 01:29:24 maybe it just hasto do with timings 01:29:38 maybe its just stupid compiler code 01:29:53 :) 01:30:08 haha 01:32:37 take care, adu 01:32:47 i finnaly figured out how to call a syscall directly! 01:32:48 YEY 01:32:50 I think I will be shutting down for the night =) 01:32:50 o 01:32:54 have fun 01:32:57 bye 01:32:58 you too! 01:33:03 :) 01:33:06 oh, direct system calls are fun 01:33:10 quirky 01:33:22 too bad they don't have a gcc -S on tap all the time 01:33:35 but they do don't they? 01:33:36 not that MPW or Code Warrior would have any problems doing it 01:33:43 on tap? 01:33:48 o 01:33:49 ready to go 01:33:52 oic 01:33:56 sorry :P 01:34:12 excellent luck 01:34:17 u2 01:34:26 I am 100% confident you will surpass my knowledge in one month in one day =) 01:34:27 :D 01:34:32 thanks! 01:34:48 later 01:34:50 --- part: Talia` left #forth 01:55:39 --- part: adu left #forth 03:32:36 --- join: Fare (fare@ppp78-net1-idf2-bas1.isdnet.net) joined #forth 04:26:48 --- nick: Fare -> Fare61453 05:39:11 --- nick: Fare61453 -> Fare 08:57:38 --- join: tcn (tcn@207.198.30.15) joined #forth 08:57:52 --- quit: tcn (Client Exiting) 10:11:48 --- join: tcn (tcn@207.198.30.15) joined #forth 10:11:57 --- quit: tcn (Client Exiting) 13:06:40 --- join: adu (andrew@adsl-63-201-90-133.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #forth 13:06:51 hey Fare, ult 13:32:26 hi ult, Fare 14:00:34 --- quit: adu (BitchX-75p1 -- just do it.) 15:01:49 --- join: adu (andrew@adsl-63-201-90-133.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #forth 15:03:56 WHERE THE HECK IS I$$)R?!? 15:09:25 HELLO? 15:09:29 --- part: adu left #forth 15:43:49 lispm: reading the logs, I see that you wanted to tell me something? 17:46:47 --- quit: Fare (Leaving) 19:03:04 --- join: JohanRussouw (jrus@ndf-dial-196-30-125-87.mweb.co.za) joined #forth 19:03:16 h uIt 19:03:23 hi i mean 19:27:40 --- join: TheBlueWizard (tbw@216.25.205.140) joined #forth 19:27:40 --- mode: ChanServ set mode: +o TheBlueWizard 19:27:46 hiya all 19:27:52 hi TheBlueWizard 19:28:00 hiya JohanRussouw 19:28:23 how r u? 19:28:29 did we talk before? 19:28:53 hrm...not really...though I've seen your nick before.... 19:29:11 k same here i have seen yours 2? 19:29:23 u wanna talk about forth linux or what? 19:29:49 its now 5:30 sun morn here i just woke up 19:29:51 I know both :) 19:30:26 * TheBlueWizard peeks at JohanRussouw's /whois 19:30:36 me 2 but what questions can i ask u ? 19:30:41 hmmm....South Africa, eh? 19:30:54 depends...hehe 19:30:55 where does my whois tell that 19:31:22 depends a silly answer , i also want info about u 19:31:38 not much about me...sorry.... 19:31:51 no then just a/s/l/time 19:32:46 k waiting 19:33:05 u know i am in south africa , so where u from? 19:33:10 * TheBlueWizard lives in USA...if that helps :) 19:33:36 yes it does , need more info or a topic for conversation 19:34:47 * TheBlueWizard is getting annoyed... 19:34:50 --- part: TheBlueWizard left #forth 20:20:55 --- quit: JohanRussouw (Read error to JohanRussouw[ndf-dial-196-30-125-87.mweb.co.za]: Connection reset by peer) 20:56:39 --- join: Talia` (goshawk@206-136.dialup.cloud9.net) joined #forth 21:00:29 --- quit: Talia` (Ping timeout for Talia`[206-136.dialup.cloud9.net]) 21:04:39 --- join: Talia` (goshawk@206-136.dialup.cloud9.net) joined #forth 21:12:24 --- join: edrx (edrx@200.240.18.82) joined #forth 21:18:10 --- join: aaronl (aaronl@vitelus.com) joined #forth 21:42:16 --- join: loopy (jason@194.125.131.50) joined #forth 22:04:50 --- join: johanrussouw (jrus@ndf-dial-196-30-125-87.mweb.co.za) joined #forth 22:05:14 hello all long time since i have seen so many here 22:12:20 but the people are silent as (almost) always... 22:26:07 --- nick: uIt -> ult 22:26:34 soory i did not see u reply 22:26:51 edrx u still here , tell me sup with u? 22:28:14 nothing special, I'm trying to implement a Forth on top of Lua+C, and studying a lot 22:28:24 johanrussouw: and you? 22:29:09 k questin lua+c give info or webpage so i go read about it 22:29:16 i am just chatting 22:29:48 home pc is for social at moment not to do anthing productive or usefull 22:30:32 my homepage is at http://www.mat.puc-rio.br/~edrx/ , the Forth in Lua+C is not there yet because it still doesn't work, but the version using Tcl+C+Nasm is there 22:30:40 but I don't recommend it :) 22:33:03 remind we talk some time ago alot right and we pay some thing some whiteboard tool right 22:36:02 no, I don't remember anything about whiteboards, but probably we talked a lot about other stuff 22:54:02 sorry i ran away 22:54:21 u still here 22:54:23 edrx 22:55:05 yeah 22:55:13 k r u busy 22:55:22 if u r its okay 22:55:31 but I'm going to spend some time in console mode putting the machine to download some hurd packages 22:55:35 if u wanna talk that okay 2 22:55:51 I will in ~15 minutes 22:55:54 k , give shout when we can talk again ok 22:56:03 ok! 23:28:06 --- join: adu (andrew@adsl-63-201-90-133.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #forth 23:28:48 has anyone seen i440r? 23:32:34 no 23:35:00 i need to talk to him 23:35:18 i am having trouble understanding the isforth dictionary implementation 23:37:27 edrx: i'm really starting to like emacs 23:37:41 i had brain sex with it the other day 23:38:10 and i finnaly found the "C-x C-e" command... 23:38:13 :) 23:38:15 what fun i had 23:43:33 i want to talk 23:43:37 i'm really bored 23:43:49 and i need to smoke. 23:43:52 o well 23:44:55 hey, I was just thinking about smoking a joint... 23:45:21 will you still be here in 10 mins? 23:45:30 ya 23:45:57 what do you do? i try to stick to tobacco... but pot every once in awhile ain't bad... 23:46:16 adu: what do you mean with "waht do you do"? :) 23:46:23 hehehe 23:46:41 what do you smoke? 23:47:02 I'm not into tobacco and I have already blown my mind too far with pot when I was 17 23:47:34 now I only smoke in very special occasions, and I was looking for excuses to make today into a special occasion 23:47:38 oic hehe 23:48:02 i compiled my first Asm program, thats a good occasion! 23:48:22 good! Using what? __asm__ in gcc? as? 23:48:34 I just learned how to use __asm__ 23:48:43 but not much 23:50:31 as 23:50:31 whats __asm__? a gcc macro? 23:50:31 what did you use as a model? gcc's asm output? 23:50:37 i just did "cc -S .c" and modified it. 23:50:40 ya 23:50:56 i'm in MacOSX, cuz i can't get my Linux internet workin' 23:51:05 :( 23:51:11 no emacs now, so... 23:51:13 MacOSX = Darwin = FreeBSD-based 23:51:35 i'm really starting to like OSX 23:51:42 a "friendly BSD"? 23:52:19 ya, but its funny, all the GUI enhancements, and the only programs i seem to use are MacBitchX (in the MacOS9 emulator) and the Terminal. 23:52:48 it comes with lots of tools 23:53:12 I'll be back in 5 or 10 mins -- the time for a joint at the window... k? 23:53:16 --- quit: loopy (Client Exiting) 23:53:24 emacs/sh-utils/bin-utils/obj-utils 23:53:32 really nice... 23:53:50 k 23:54:17 btw, have you considered installing eev.el in your .emacs? I think it's great fun to be able to use all those hyperlinks... 23:55:04 I can even give you instructions right now if you want :) 23:56:38 the main trick is that you have to download it from http://www.mat.puc-rio.br/~edrx/eev.el as my main site is down today 23:56:53 joint time, unless you answer quickly. 23:56:59 what? 23:57:18 i'll take a look at it 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/01.02.10