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06:28:34 <Fare> a maybe you need do some sport. Aikido?
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18:50:48 <TheBlueWizard> hiya all
19:24:25 <adu> can you delete a forth word?
19:24:52 <adu> s/can you/is it possible/
19:24:56 <adu> to
19:26:38 <TheBlueWizard> hiya
19:27:09 <adu> and do you know how you can tell which version of a re-defined forth word uses in it's definition?
19:27:10 <TheBlueWizard> in traditional Forth you can only FORGET the word and all subsequent words
19:27:30 <adu> o thats what "forget" does....
19:28:00 <adu> tbw: so that means all words defined with that word?
19:28:12 <TheBlueWizard> you can't tell at a glance which word get redefined....but if you know what you are piling on, you can tell.....
19:28:14 <adu> or using that word in it's def?
19:28:32 <adu> like if you know which mem addr the dict is in?
19:29:36 <TheBlueWizard> um....maybe it is best if I set up a few examples....
19:30:05 <TheBlueWizard> in traditional Forth, a typical series of Forth definitions would go like this:
19:30:37 <TheBlueWizard> : AAA .... ;    : BBB .... ;    : CCC AAA ... BBB ... ;
19:30:51 <adu> is traditional forth = "Mostly found in common implementations" ?
19:30:59 <TheBlueWizard> : DDD ... BBB ... ;
19:31:27 <TheBlueWizard> um....let's say a simple implementation for now
19:31:32 <adu> ok
19:32:23 <TheBlueWizard> now, FORGET BBB would discard BBB, CCC, and DDD...which makes sense anyway cuz CCC and DDD depends on BBB
19:33:38 <adu> ya, that does make sence, considering how the dictionary works
19:34:00 <adu> but i'm wondering if its still forth if you implement it differrently
19:34:17 <TheBlueWizard> going back to the original example again, FORGET AAA would discard AAA, BBB (even though it doesn't depend on AAA), CCC, and DDD (once again, it doesn't depend on AAA)...you see, all it does is to roll DP back to before AAA is defined.  It is rather stack-like in this fashion
19:34:24 <adu> like if you let DDD and CCC stick around for awhile
19:35:30 <adu> tbw: ya i remember hearing something about that... you can only delete up from the EOF of the dict or something
19:35:39 <TheBlueWizard> it is possible...but you will need to set up some indirection or use token threading or whatever to handle dynamic "relinking" (for lack of better term)
19:36:16 <adu> tbw: i was thinking of using just the syntax of forth. and use a definition as a form of compilation.
19:36:53 <adu> food
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19:37:23 <TheBlueWizard> definition as a form of compilation?  I don't understand....
19:39:11 <adufud> using it as a form of the code ;code definition
19:40:07 <adufud> if a specific implementation usually will always have the same number of code defs, then you should be able to define words in terms of those, instead of other words.
19:40:12 <TheBlueWizard> are you talking about assembly language coding or what?
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19:40:59 <adu> ya
19:41:25 <adu> i'm trying to come up with a really cool way of doing assembler
19:42:34 <TheBlueWizard> ah...well....the exact implementation vary wildly....some would go for minimalistic use of code ... ;code version, which would maximize the portability....but is slow, versus well tuned (i.e. using a good set of code ... ;code plus recoding certain : ... ; to take advantage of CPU features for speed and ease)
19:42:45 <TheBlueWizard> oh
19:44:30 <adu> tbw: i'm also wondering if theres a way to do an implementation that does an dintermediate way of doing that... they have dictionary entries for both the code ;code and the normal : ;
19:45:05 <adu> i just think about different ways to do things, in hope of comming up with something really cool
19:45:48 <TheBlueWizard> one variant I have, while technically not a "Forth", does have Forthish way of doing stuff....I implemented a precompiler that reads in a mix of assembly code and Forth code and spit out assembly language...the assembly language in both the source and output are of ordinary variety (i.e. not RPN assembly hehe)
19:46:44 <adu> ic
19:47:01 <adu> that seemed like 3 different ideas there
19:47:09 <adu> was that 1 point?
19:47:26 <adu> i thought most assembly WAS rpn
19:47:47 <adu> oooooooooooo wait
19:47:53 <adu> that would be pn wouldn't it?
19:47:58 <adu> i get them mixed up alot
19:48:06 <TheBlueWizard> you can factor out the headers and put them into a different memory region, and all those headers would point to appropriate places in the code region....one niceties is that after you finish building the code region (by usual Forth compiling), you can then erase almost all of the headers region, leaving the few important words there
19:48:51 <adu> maybe just have a different implementation of "see" that spit out forth definitions of complex code words
19:49:47 <adu> tbw: i don't get... whats a header in forth termS?
19:50:02 <TheBlueWizard> my version (written in Python) simply scan for code ... ;code and copy verbatim the content (hence the ordinary variety), and would convert : ... ; to header/address list stuff in assembly format...simplifying my initial bootstrap hacking heh
19:50:25 <adu> oooooooooic
19:50:36 <adu> kinda the opposite of what i'm thinking
19:50:55 <adu> showing asm for all kinda of defs, instead of showing forth for all kinds of defs
19:51:11 <TheBlueWizard> as I said, implementations vary wildly :)         headers are what is generated by CREATE
19:51:39 * TheBlueWizard blinks....that thought hasn't occurred to him....
19:51:45 <adu> tbw: you do bootstrap hacking? I am genuinly intersted in the bootstrap procedure/boot sequence
19:52:09 <TheBlueWizard> hmm....but then you need to convert Forth into something that CPU can "understand"....
19:52:25 <adu> tbw: thats what i mean my making a version of "see" that shows forth for code entries
19:53:25 <adu> tbw: not forth for ALL entries, but those that could POSSIBLY be expressed in smaller terms, that are usually coded to save time
19:53:44 <adu> this way you could code more in asm and still allow people to see what they do in "forth"
19:54:02 <TheBlueWizard> ah...that project was a part of my OS project (now on back burner due to many other things...including a serious bug I found in Linux).....my vision of using Forth in OS is to be used as a HAL/Open Firmware type (simple types) and as a monitor a la Apple ][ monitor
19:54:27 <adu> cooool
19:54:35 <adu> ya, i really like OpenFw
19:54:55 <adu> tbw: you had an OS proj? me2, but i've actually had many
19:55:34 <adu> first i wanted a 3d OS then an elegant OS then i wanted a dynamic OS then i wanted an Easy2Use lowlevel os......
19:55:40 * TheBlueWizard hrms re: adu's idea about asm in Forth clothing....
19:55:59 <adu> hehe
19:56:05 <adu> i hope its not a wolf
19:56:19 <TheBlueWizard> ha ha....you're asking for a moon....mine is tad bit more modest: something modern that doesn't sux ;)
19:56:25 <adu> maybe its a sheep in wolf's clothing
19:57:48 <adu> tbw: but i've been thinking about it for a long time, and i'm not really looking for an OS, i'm looking for an Environment, not just a program that lets you do lots of stuff, but and Env in the way an OS is. I'm happy with most of today's OSs resource management, but i hate the Envs
19:57:57 <adu> and i've com eup with some cool ideas
19:58:21 <TheBlueWizard> mmhmm...
19:58:50 <adu> i'll show them to you
19:58:59 * TheBlueWizard ... o O ( great minds think alike....usually :)
19:59:01 <adu> i call it the RWS
19:59:15 <adu> you want an Env too?
19:59:37 <TheBlueWizard> RWS?
19:59:45 <adu> ink in #osdev is developing a nameless project for an OS that has the awsomeest GUI "Swishy"
19:59:51 <adu> Reduced Widget Set
19:59:52 <adu> http://216.248.201.24/andrew/rws-0.03.html
19:59:53 <adu> http://216.248.201.24/andrew/window.gif
20:00:01 <adu> those are the best i've done at explaining it
20:00:22 <TheBlueWizard> I dunno about the env angle....but I want a modular OS that support thin threading, messaging, and such
20:00:33 <adu> ya
20:01:01 <TheBlueWizard> and is rather small, and fun ;)
20:01:15 <adu> i like the concept of Tunes/Vapour/BRiX/TTP/ZealOS etc... all very modular and OO-OSs
20:01:38 <adu> tbw: that was my goal for the Easy2UseLowLevel one
20:01:50 <adu> one that had a REALLY great hex editor
20:02:02 <TheBlueWizard> but I wouldn't go overboard on OO angle though
20:02:43 <adu> ink's OS is named after the project's name
20:02:54 <adu> TTP = The TTP Project
20:03:01 <adu> which could really stand for anything
20:03:31 <TheBlueWizard> yeah...it's extremely annoying having to roll up a hex editor for this situation (binary file editing) and that situation (filesystem editing) and yonder situation (network packet scanner)....
20:03:51 <TheBlueWizard> heh
20:04:12 <adu> i want a hex editor that has mods like emacs for text/asm/db/ etc....
20:04:42 <adu> and has many varieties of formats of showing data
20:04:59 <adu> and has scripts that show colors depending on what sections are showing
20:05:17 <adu> background or forground colors
20:05:21 <TheBlueWizard> sounds like a killer cool hex editor
20:05:25 <adu> so you'd haveto know the fileformat
20:05:48 <adu> but it only really makes sence if its doing everything, making it an app is like making emacs an app
20:05:59 <adu> you don't really need anything else.... if oyu know how to use it
20:06:17 <adu> i'm an emacs newbie, so i probably shouldn't talk too much about it
20:07:09 <adu> and maybe even scripts that show color pixels if its an image
20:07:12 <TheBlueWizard> hehe...I'm an emacks something-of-a-newbie hehe
20:07:41 <adu> theres amovie on and my mom says its a cyber movie so i guess i'm gonna watch it
20:07:46 <TheBlueWizard> one thing I don't like: B-I-G editor :)
20:07:53 <adu> tell me what you think of those 2 docs
20:08:03 <adu> tbw: very big... :{
20:08:05 <TheBlueWizard> which 2 docs?
20:08:17 <adu> 7:59 PM <adu> http://216.248.201.24/andrew/rws-0.03.html
20:08:18 <adu> 7:59 PM <adu> http://216.248.201.24/andrew/window.gif
20:08:20 <adu> of RWS
20:08:28 <adu> my Reduced Widget Set
20:08:50 <adu> and if it gets big then i'll call it Reduced Widget System :)
20:09:11 <TheBlueWizard> ah....I haven't viewed these; am busy reading #debian and #progeny...boy, a lot of discussions going on :)
20:09:18 --- nick: adu -> adu-movie
20:09:20 <adu-movie> ok
20:09:46 <adu-movie> look 'em over and give me whatever feedback you think of... it'd be great
20:09:57 <adu-movie> bbiab
20:10:05 <TheBlueWizard> k
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20:20:36 <TheBlueWizard> hiya edrx
20:21:14 <edrx> TheBlueWizard: hi! How are things?
20:23:02 <TheBlueWizard> a bit tired....finished my training today :)
20:25:34 <edrx> TheBlueWizard: training of?
20:26:20 <TheBlueWizard> the course title is: Designing a Secure MS Windows 2000 Network (it is for my work...)
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20:34:16 <TheBlueWizard> yikes
20:37:42 <adu-movie> hahahaha
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20:38:00 <adu> "Secure Windows"
20:38:17 <adu> I should add that to the list of oxymorons
20:38:23 <adu> my list
20:38:32 <TheBlueWizard> I know....<shrug>...though there was a lot of material to cover....*phew*
20:38:41 <adu> like Microsoft Works
20:38:56 <adu> tbw: so whatchya think of rws?
20:39:03 <adu> did you at least see the gif?
20:39:17 <adu> i'm planning to make more
20:39:43 <TheBlueWizard> I still haven't viewed it...someone was barraging me a lot of questions :)
20:39:56 <adu> oic
20:48:55 <aaronl_> hahah Microsoft Works
20:49:43 <TheBlueWizard> at least I don't pay for that course...and I get (practically) free food :)
20:49:55 <aaronl_> hey it could be worse
20:50:09 <aaronl_> i was forced to use BASIC at school yesterday for some bizarre reason
20:50:23 <adu> aaronl_: really...
20:50:27 <TheBlueWizard> BASIC?  VB?
20:50:31 <adu> aaronl_: HEY! tell about the contest now
20:50:35 <aaronl_> TheBlueWizard: NO, fortunately
20:50:39 <aaronl_> TheBlueWizard: calculator basic
20:51:06 <TheBlueWizard> like: 10 PRINT "Hi"    20 GOTO 10?
20:51:20 <adu> hehe that'd be baaaaaaad
20:51:54 <aaronl_> TheBlueWizard: yeah
20:52:15 <aaronl_> Disp "THIS IS MY LAME ASS PROGRAM"
20:52:30 <aaronl_> Disp "I'M MAKING IT BECUASE I'M A TOTAL IDIOT WHO DOESN'T KNOW WHAT PROGRAMMING IS"
20:52:35 <adu> which calc uses "disp" ?
20:52:42 <aaronl_> adu: TI series
20:52:51 <aaronl_> it's horrible
20:52:52 <adu> oic, thats NOT basic
20:52:53 <aaronl_> it uses non-ascii
20:52:56 <aaronl_> like arrows, and stuff
20:53:04 <adu> i know TI
20:53:07 <adu> its cool
20:53:09 <adu> i like it
20:53:39 <adu> o like 68->a
20:53:47 * TheBlueWizard sits back, watching the flamings....and reading RWS docs
20:53:58 <adu> :)
20:54:27 <aaronl_> All the world's a VAX,
20:54:27 <aaronl_> And all the coders merely butchers;
20:54:27 <aaronl_> They have their exits and their entrails;
20:54:27 <aaronl_> And one int in his time plays many widths,
20:54:27 <aaronl_> His sizeof being N bytes.  At first the infant,
20:54:28 <aaronl_> Mewling and puking in the Regent's arms.
20:54:30 <aaronl_> And then the whining schoolboy, with his Sun,
20:54:32 <aaronl_> And shining morning face, creeping like slug
20:54:34 <aaronl_> Unwillingly to school.
20:54:36 <aaronl_>                 -- A Very Annoyed PDP-11
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20:57:01 <adu> yo there
20:57:01 <nate37> anybody planning on making a forth or some other RPN interpretter for ti-85?
20:57:42 <aaronl_> heheheheeh
20:57:44 <aaronl_> how topical
20:57:52 <nate37> heh
20:57:59 <nate37> we are both in osdev :p
20:58:04 <aaronl_> it would not be hard to hack one up in assembly
20:58:07 <aaronl_> osdev?
20:58:14 <adu> #osdev
20:58:26 <adu> Operating System Development
20:58:39 <aaronl_> Aleph-null bottles of beer on the wall,
20:58:39 <aaronl_> Aleph-null bottles of beer,
20:58:39 <aaronl_> You take one down, and pass it around,
20:58:39 <aaronl_> Aleph-null bottles of beer on the wall.
20:58:40 <adu> aaronl_: would you haveto use TI-asm?
20:58:46 <aaronl_> no
20:58:48 <aaronl_> Z80 asm
20:58:56 <adu> o coooooooooool
20:58:59 <adu> TI is z80?
20:59:08 <TheBlueWizard> n33t
20:59:23 <aaronl_> adu: 83-86 are
20:59:27 <aaronl_> adu: 89, 92 are 69k
21:00:33 <adu> hmm
21:00:42 <nate37> aaronl_: i was thinking a while ago of making one
21:00:42 <adu> i don' know 69k
21:00:49 <adu> is that mot?
21:00:50 <nate37> aaronl_: that would integrate very well with tios
21:00:51 <adu> moterolla
21:01:00 <aaronl_> er, 68k
21:01:04 <adu> tbw: Did you like the docs? :)
21:01:29 <adu> i do know 68k :)
21:02:42 * TheBlueWizard has read only a bit so far....busily multitasking :)
21:02:46 <aaronl_> 68k rules
21:02:53 * TheBlueWizard knows 68k
21:04:08 <adu> i wish i still had my 69k machine
21:04:17 <adu> i didn't know enough about asm at the time
21:04:29 <adu> i learn very incrementaly
21:05:49 <TheBlueWizard> um...what is 69k?  who makes it?
21:07:19 <aaronl_> TheBlueWizard: 68K!@!!!
21:07:59 <nate37> aaronl_: #osdev
21:08:13 <adu> tbw: aaronl made a typo
21:08:35 <TheBlueWizard> oh...got it now (I reread...sorry....paying the price of multitasking hehe)
21:08:44 <adu> tbw: apperently i did too
21:08:47 <adu> hehe
21:09:06 <adu> ic
21:09:27 * adu is playing around with pforth to see what is possible
21:09:50 * adu still doesn't get how to parse a succeding word
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21:10:31 * adu wonders if "<spaces>ccc" goes to the stack automatically
21:14:21 <TheBlueWizard> adu: no...WORD parse it to an area right after the last compiled Forth code (after the end of dictionary)
21:14:48 <adu> wha
21:15:27 <adu> no like : bla ... ; the ": bla" is one excecution unit
21:15:37 <adu> isn't it?
21:15:57 <adu> or like "see drop" is one unit, right?
21:17:12 <adu> o ok i think ic
21:19:12 <TheBlueWizard> um....WORD parse out the Forth word (i.e. it copies each character until a space is hit), then 'Find or FIND- or whatever (I get mixed up on that one hehe) does the look up on that parsed word, and leaves the result (success/flag or fail-flag) on the stack, and then.....ya know the rest.   see parses out the word....
21:20:59 <TheBlueWizard> : blah is an execution unit, sort of.... : parses blah out, but does not do 'FIND/FIND- on it...it simply munges the "word" built after the dictionary into a header format by adding flags, links, whatever....efficient, huh? :)
21:24:06 <adu> ya
21:24:08 <adu> cool
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21:30:03 <TheBlueWizard> rello edrx
21:30:18 <edrx> TheBlueWizard: hi, I'm back
21:30:57 <edrx> TheBlueWizard: sorry, I just had to talk with a friend who did a very radical thing
21:31:11 <TheBlueWizard> yeah, I can see that....um what of yout Tcl based Forth?
21:31:35 <TheBlueWizard> what radical thing? stealing billy boy's nutz? :)
21:31:41 <edrx> I can pack it in a tgz in a minute and send it to you if you want
21:31:56 <TheBlueWizard> DCC it away then
21:32:02 <edrx> TheBlueWizard: no, he took his first shot of feminine hormones today
21:34:20 <TheBlueWizard> whoa.....so he is transsexualizing himself?
21:34:55 <edrx> yes
21:35:48 <edrx> I told you it was a radical thing...
21:36:40 <edrx> I just knew him from internet, I wouldn't ever guess that he was so unusual
21:36:49 <TheBlueWizard> yeah...though I seem to be close to a bulls eye on that hehe
21:37:21 <TheBlueWizard> you never met him in person?  btw, thx 4 the file
21:37:24 <edrx> "close to a bulls eye"? English is not my native language
21:37:56 * TheBlueWizard hmms......how to explain the expression "hit the bull's eye"....
21:38:04 <edrx> do you want some help on making it run? It doesn't have any docs at the moment...
21:38:16 <TheBlueWizard> do you know what is a dart board?
21:38:20 <edrx> yes
21:38:32 <edrx> the bulls eye is the small circle in the center
21:38:51 <TheBlueWizard> ok, the very center scoring circle on the dart board is called bull's eye
21:39:29 <TheBlueWizard> so hitting the bull's eye means I hit it right there, or I made a perfectly right guess, whatever
21:40:07 <edrx> oh, now I understand... you guessed the trans stufff before I type my line... ?
21:41:02 <edrx> or were you talking about you being strange too? I'm quite a freak, but I'm awed at a trans as I would be at someone hanging voluntarily from fleshhooks
21:41:55 <edrx> an "o'kee-pah" IIRC
21:42:15 <TheBlueWizard> no....I was just cracking a joke by blabbing about stealing billy boy's (==Bill Gates) nutz (==balls, testicles, family jewels, etc)....and this transsexualizing eventually does involve removing the balls....
21:42:43 <edrx> :)
21:42:47 <TheBlueWizard> I am not strange sexually...I'm a normal heterosexual guy
21:44:06 <edrx> I'm mostly unsexed, plain animal sex doesn't interest me, so as things are now I think I am often considered a freak on that.
21:44:28 <TheBlueWizard> put my joke line in category of near coincidence...got that now?    the phrase "hitting the bull's eye" is pretty elastic...it can means by sheer luck or coincidence or whatever...or on purpose
21:44:46 <edrx> I got it, no need to explain it more :)
21:46:47 * TheBlueWizard chuckles
21:48:35 <TheBlueWizard> another example (it actually happened to me once, honest!): I once played the 20 question game with someone and I have to guess what someone was thinking of, and my very first guess: was it a fish...and boy, he looked astounded, saying I guessed completely right!   So I hit a bull's eye! :)
21:48:53 <TheBlueWizard> needless to say, I was astounded too
21:48:55 <TheBlueWizard> :)
21:49:41 <edrx> Once in high school I was playing a game of guessing a number between 1 and 1000 with some friends...
21:50:13 <edrx> and I guessed "666" and hit on the first, and the still thinks that I cheated
21:50:19 <edrx> :)
21:53:50 <TheBlueWizard> ha ha ha!   the mark of the Beast! ;)    well, you get the idea quite clearly now ;)
22:10:06 * TheBlueWizard finishes reading the RWS docs and viewed the pic....
22:10:39 <TheBlueWizard> hmm...what can I say?  interesting....different....dunno if I like it....or not hehe
22:11:28 <adu> thanx
22:12:04 <adu> so did the pic inspire you (says adu in a mocking sort of way)
22:12:32 <adu> the .gif was to demonstrate overbars, and moving arrows
22:15:18 <TheBlueWizard> dunno....hehe...I've seen too many GUIs to get gaga over anything......(eyes glazed over ;)
22:15:36 <adu> hehe
22:16:01 <adu> tbw: but you at least think it is understandable it what it tries to do right?
22:16:15 <adu> s/it what/in what/
22:18:06 <TheBlueWizard> I would have to think very carefully....making certain things too generic can be dangerous....also you could use some soupçon of OO via hierarchy .....
22:20:02 <adu> soupcon?
22:20:24 <adu> i've been thinking about it for much time
22:20:42 <adu> and i really think its amazing
22:20:58 <adu> but then again I made it of course _I_ would think so
22:21:04 <adu> hehe
22:21:06 <TheBlueWizard> e.g. /widget/text/widget.w......to customize it, write a file newwidget.w that would render image, whatever (you can use standard file moving, linking, etc.)
22:21:36 <adu> what?
22:22:26 <TheBlueWizard> hehe....the nice thing is that it would be quite componentized...so if you viscerally hate that sliding bar widget, rip a new sliding widget off some po' sap's machine and drop it into a certain directory
22:22:55 <adu> right
22:23:10 <adu> you can drag everything because they all have dissapearing grabbies on them
22:23:45 <adu> and since everything is managed my RWS you don't need linked libs and stuff to make things appear in other programs
22:24:57 <adu> and i have a vision for unix utils
22:25:53 <adu> making the top of mini programs by the stdin and the bottom me stdout, you physically link windows together that have all the options of grep/tr/awk/sed/ls and so on
22:26:06 <TheBlueWizard> I'll stay tuned....clearly your vision differ from mine :)))
22:26:07 <adu> s/by/be/
22:26:10 <adu> s/me/be/
22:26:12 <edrx> can I see the gif to understand the discussion?
22:26:25 <adu> http://216.248.201.24/andrew/rws-0.03.html
22:26:25 <adu> http://216.248.201.24/andrew/window.gif
22:26:30 <TheBlueWizard> http://216.248.201.24/andrew/window.gif
22:26:49 <adu> edrx: have i explained rws?
22:27:42 <adu> rws is a mixture between HTML's tables and Tk's most basic widgets decomposed, then rebuilt
22:28:19 <edrx> it is not clear at all at this moment... let me see the gif, I just got the html...
22:29:10 <adu> tbw: thats ok, the world is all about differences
22:29:30 * TheBlueWizard has jotted down the URL...will study it more at a later time
22:29:35 <adu> k
22:29:53 <edrx> is it inspired in smalltalk?
22:29:55 <TheBlueWizard> adu: yup....biodiversity, er, cyberdiversity rox :)
22:30:00 <adu> tbw: it may have gotten to be 0.04 or something
22:30:08 <adu> i'm make a current one like rws.html
22:31:24 <adu> there.
22:31:43 <adu> http://216.248.201.24/andrew/rws.html will now be the official current description
22:31:47 <adu> :)
22:31:48 <adu> hehe
22:32:09 <adu> i love acting like i know what i'm doing when i have absolutly no clue.....
22:33:17 <TheBlueWizard> ha ha....wild stabbings in the dark :))))
22:34:03 <edrx> adu: what are you using to program it?
22:34:47 <adu> linux
22:34:55 <adu> mac for research
22:35:04 <adu> linux is just so much easier to program
22:35:19 <adu> i'm trying to replace the X/WM/Tk model
22:37:35 <TheBlueWizard> rather ambitious heh....unfortunately I suspect you will have to write your code sort of atop X cuz X works directly with graphics card.....
22:38:45 <adu> i'm planning on using either SDL or GGI
22:40:07 <edrx> adu: things were funnier back when we could just poke the video memory
22:41:33 <TheBlueWizard> SDL? GGI?
22:41:55 <TheBlueWizard> edrx: s/funnier/more fun/
22:42:08 <TheBlueWizard> funnier != more fun in English
22:42:28 <TheBlueWizard> funnier is derived from funny
22:42:38 <edrx> TheBlueWizard: oops, sorry :) Makes sense once I think on it...
22:43:34 <TheBlueWizard> that's ok hehe
22:44:47 <edrx> time to sleep...
22:44:51 <edrx> bye
22:45:13 <TheBlueWizard> bye
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22:49:08 <TheBlueWizard> got to go to bed....bye all!
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