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17:33:51 <TheBlueWizard> hiya all
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17:47:44 <TheBlueWizard> hiya aaronl
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17:49:21 <aaronl> yo
17:49:27 <TheBlueWizard> :)
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17:56:44 <TheBlueWizard> oh well
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18:58:22 <TheBlueWizard> hiya adu
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19:13:02 <adu> hiya
19:13:11 <adu> hows thingsz gowin?
19:15:20 <TheBlueWizard> slow hehe
19:15:31 <adu> ic
19:15:58 <adu> how slow?
19:16:02 <adu> DAMN SLOW?
19:16:43 * TheBlueWizard is thinking about creating a custom boot floppy with Linux running PLIP and NFS, so he can turn any Win 9x boxes into remote drive boxes....good for file transferring :)
19:17:00 <TheBlueWizard> depending on what projects hehe.....
19:18:24 <adu> interesting
19:18:35 <adu> i want to make a ZipOS
19:19:17 <adu> a versitle OS with all the utilities you'd want like standard unix commands, + GUI and Office, without bloat like games
19:19:36 <adu> putting things on floppies is a fantasy i think
19:19:50 <TheBlueWizard> this boot floppy would avoid the need for repartitioning, etc....it will solve my needs hehe...but I have to research first :(
19:20:18 <TheBlueWizard> adu: that'd be tough.....
19:22:29 <adu> i do beleive that partitions suck
19:23:25 * TheBlueWizard isn't eager to repartition, especially with that heart-stopping bug he found with msdos fs
19:24:18 <adu> which bug?
19:25:09 <TheBlueWizard> bug #68646 on Debian BTS
19:25:19 <adu> BTS?
19:25:31 <TheBlueWizard> bug tracking system
19:25:35 <adu> oic
19:26:05 <adu> hey we're in forth now, aren't we?
19:26:22 <adu> why won't we talk about forth?
19:26:34 <TheBlueWizard> bug is msdos filesystem panic on reading....then the hard drive get spammed with garbage
19:26:44 <adu> tell me more about your no-need-for-re-partition thing first
19:27:03 <TheBlueWizard> hehe....
19:27:16 <adu> i'm interested
19:28:46 <TheBlueWizard> hmm....right now it is all "sketched out" in my head....the idea is to imitate the procedure found for creating floppyfw (it is fairly popular), but modify it to use msdos/vfat fs driver, NFS, and PLIP and link them up together
19:29:16 <TheBlueWizard> of course I'd make HD read only in my plan....much safer this way
19:29:33 <adu> what i wish
19:29:53 <TheBlueWizard> what did you wish for?
19:30:22 <adu> is that there was basic support for non-native images within the file system, kinda like SOFT-partitions... maybe like what your talking about....?....
19:32:01 <TheBlueWizard> SOFT-partition? what is that?
19:32:58 <adu> you know like ISO CD-ROM images
19:33:13 <adu> you can have a CD on your disk without having a separate partition
19:33:24 <adu> its just a file that can be mounted
19:33:34 <TheBlueWizard> anyway, my idea is to temporarily turn any Win 9x boxes into a Linux box with PLIP connection, so file transferring would be a snap.  Of course if one replace msdos/vfat fs driver with a NTFS driver, then any win NT box can be accessed in a similar manner
19:34:13 <adu> plip?
19:35:21 <TheBlueWizard> PLIP -- Parallel L___ IP ... networking over parallel port
19:35:40 <TheBlueWizard> see PLIP HOWTO at www.linuxdocs.org
19:36:40 <TheBlueWizard> good for those who doesn't have Ethernet cards, etc.
19:40:21 <TheBlueWizard> I hope you grok my idea hehe
19:46:03 <adu> linux?
19:46:17 <adu> grok?
19:46:22 <TheBlueWizard> you don't know what is Linux?!
19:46:34 <adu> ya, but why blank it out?
19:46:55 <adu> Paralel Linux IP?
19:47:16 <adu> or is it ParalelL?
19:47:28 <TheBlueWizard> I couldn't remember what L stood for....maybe it is Linux hehe
19:47:44 <adu> oic
19:47:51 <TheBlueWizard> grok == to understand deeply (from Robert Heinlein novel)
19:48:09 <adu> i used to use YDL, but i'm a intralinux convert.... switching to LinuxPPC
19:48:43 <TheBlueWizard> YDL == Yggisidril, right?
19:48:49 <adu> YellowDogLinux
19:48:58 <TheBlueWizard> ah
19:49:09 * TheBlueWizard uses Debian Linux
19:49:33 <adu> its more server oriented, and YDL 2.0 (gone home+champion server combo) isn't out yet
19:49:59 <adu> they never released GoneHome Linux
19:50:32 <TheBlueWizard> hmm...never heard of GoneHome Linux
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19:55:19 <TheBlueWizard> hiya mark4!
19:55:23 <mark4> tbw!@
19:55:23 <mark4> dood
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19:55:29 <mark4> are u good at bash script ?
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19:55:39 <I440r> ive got a BIG problem :P
19:55:52 <TheBlueWizard> I'm so-so at bash scripting...what's the problem?
19:58:01 <I440r> ok
19:58:02 <I440r> well
19:58:10 <I440r> you know the debian ftp rite ?
19:58:26 <I440r>  /home/ftp/debian/dists/DISTRO/main
19:58:33 <I440r> etc
19:58:43 <I440r> and under that you got 
19:58:51 <I440r> binary-all and binary-i386
19:58:55 <I440r> rite wll
19:59:08 * TheBlueWizard knows about Debian ftp site...though he seldom look at it
19:59:19 <I440r> im writing a script to mirror i386 stuff only for potato and woody
19:59:35 <I440r> unfortunatly that tree structyre has LOADS of symlinks
19:59:57 <I440r> ther are links within one distros binary-i386 dirs that go to the same dir under binary-all
20:00:17 <I440r> then you have links from binary-all AND binary-i386 of woody to the same dirs in potato
20:00:21 <I440r> well
20:00:52 <I440r> when mirroring potato any symlinks that i RSYNC must be followed unless they are symlinks within potato itself
20:01:07 * TheBlueWizard hrms....and doesn't know all those intricacies of the tree....he has no experience with "the Right Way to Upload" stuff
20:01:11 <I440r> but for woody all symlihnks are treated as if they were normal files
20:01:31 <I440r> this isnt uploading its a problem of how to resolve specific symlinks on my debian mirror
20:01:42 <TheBlueWizard> oh
20:01:56 <I440r> if there is a symlink out of potato to sid then i must FOLLOW that link to the file and get the file itself
20:02:00 <I440r> because im not mirroring sid
20:02:03 <I440r> BUT
20:02:19 <I440r> if it is a symlink from potato TO potato dirs then i must get the symlink
20:02:34 <I440r> or ill end up with TWO copies of the same file
20:02:44 <I440r> u understand ?
20:02:53 <I440r> i have to FOLLOW some symlinks and retain others
20:02:57 <I440r> its complecated
20:03:35 <TheBlueWizard> so...in a nutshell you need a way to distinguish between two *actual* target directories (or rather the version area anyway)
20:03:47 <TheBlueWizard> right?
20:03:58 <I440r> i need to be able to tell if the link goes outside the distros dirs
20:04:22 <adu> see ya
20:04:46 <I440r> hehe
20:05:56 <TheBlueWizard> um...maybe you can write a function called inside_distro(path, distro_name)....e.g.  if inside_distro(yadda, potato); then yadda yadda; fi;
20:06:55 <adu> potato?
20:07:18 <adu> i'm complicated by all this confision
20:07:20 <adu> bye bye
20:07:20 <TheBlueWizard> adu: potato is the current stable version of Debian Linux
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20:07:39 <TheBlueWizard> hehe...we lost adu
20:08:47 <TheBlueWizard> um...does my little idea help?
20:09:45 <TheBlueWizard> of course I'd have to experiment with all that, seeing that I'm rather green at such sort of things
20:09:48 <I440r> well i THINK i know how to do it
20:09:57 <I440r> just do the mirror without following any symlinks
20:10:22 <I440r> then after getting both woody and potato scan thru both till i see a broken symlink and re rsynk that file but following symlinks 
20:10:24 <TheBlueWizard> of course you can use inside_distro as a part of smart_copy routine
20:12:24 <TheBlueWizard> sorry I am not a big help :-/
20:12:32 <I440r> hehe
20:12:55 <I440r> inside_distro would be complecated too
20:13:02 <TheBlueWizard> I don't write much bash scripts at all....
20:13:08 <I440r> me either heh
20:13:42 <TheBlueWizard> I suppose inside_distro would be complicated....then break it down into smaller pieces...that is a good Forth practice hehe
20:19:42 * TheBlueWizard reads the thread on your problem in #debian, and sees that ElectricElf is also stumped hehe
20:25:23 <I440r> oh i could do it in forht :)
20:25:33 <I440r> yup
20:25:58 <TheBlueWizard> so ya gonna redo it in Forth eh? lol
20:25:59 <I440r> i wrote to joey hess at debian.org, he wrote a script to do partial mirrors of debian that accounts for the new pacakge pools
20:26:13 <I440r> but his script is useless unless you are mirrorong ONE version only
20:26:24 <I440r> heh
20:26:49 <TheBlueWizard> ONE version only?   man, that sucks....
20:27:54 <I440r> he wrote it for doing partial mirrors of say potato for i386 oir alpha or some other processor
20:28:06 <I440r> but it is useless if doing i386 for both woody and potato
20:28:32 * TheBlueWizard nods
20:29:18 <I440r> :)
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20:47:04 <TheBlueWizard> hiya aaronl
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21:29:43 <TheBlueWizard> hiya edrx
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21:29:59 <edrx> Hi
21:33:35 <aaronl> brb
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22:12:39 <TheBlueWizard> gotta sleepo...bye all!
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