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09:27:05 <ree> later fare
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09:29:32 <ree> re ult
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09:46:44 <Johan4Jesus> anyone here?
09:46:50 <ree> yep
09:47:37 <Johan4Jesus> k u a forth programmer
09:47:37 --- nick: ult_ -> ult
09:47:37 <ult> what the hell kind of nick is that
09:47:37 <ult> stupid fundamentalist baby raping christians
09:47:37 <ree> hah
09:47:37 <ult> more people have died in the name of your obscene god than for any other reason!
09:47:44 <ree> maybe he loves a guy named jesus?
09:47:47 <ree> j/k
09:47:51 <Johan4Jesus> who care?
09:47:58 <ult> The bible itself authorized christians to rape little girls and says there is no better feeling than that of beating the brains out of babies
09:48:01 <ree> yeah, this is a forth channel ult
09:48:10 <Johan4Jesus> i came here to talk about programming
09:48:18 <ree> johan, just /ignore
09:48:20 <ult> ahahaha
09:48:37 <ree> I don't know forth well enough
09:48:44 <ree> but I can help with you some links
09:49:05 <Johan4Jesus> did u download the room owners forth
09:49:16 <ree> which is that?
09:49:18 <ult> room owners forth?
09:49:21 <ult> isforth doesn't work yet
09:49:22 <Johan4Jesus> I440hr or some such
09:49:27 <ree> ohh, isforth
09:49:28 <ree> yeah
09:49:31 <ree> I cvs'd it
09:49:47 <Johan4Jesus> can u tell me how to do that
09:50:02 <Johan4Jesus> why did utl ping me
09:50:16 <ult> hmm
09:50:22 <ult> Johan: Why not?
09:50:31 <ult> just seein how lagged i am
09:50:36 <Johan4Jesus> just curious
09:50:43 <ult> Not haxoring you or anything :)
09:50:43 <Johan4Jesus> i am new to mirc
09:50:48 <ree> johan, there are cvs instructions on sourceforge
09:50:53 <Johan4Jesus> did not say there
09:51:02 <ult> Johan do you program in forth?
09:51:13 <ree> www.sourceforge.net/projects/isforth
09:51:15 <ult> also isforth is just for linux at least right now. ..
09:51:21 <Johan4Jesus> yes 18 years ago i created my own forth
09:52:01 <Johan4Jesus> no i a lieing not 18 years
09:52:01 <Johan4Jesus> in 1984
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09:54:13 <ree> ult?
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09:55:13 <Johan4Jesus> ree?
09:55:16 <ree> yeah
09:55:45 <Johan4Jesus> u need a special version of nasm to assemble isforth
09:55:48 <Johan4Jesus> do u have it
09:55:59 <ree> yeah
09:56:11 <ree> there is a link on the page to find it I think
09:56:17 <ree> or you can search for it on yahoo
09:56:19 <Johan4Jesus> i have it
09:56:34 <Johan4Jesus> the nasm thats necessary
09:56:44 <Johan4Jesus> but could not get it to work
09:57:10 <Johan4Jesus> r u on linux now or win9x
09:59:14 <ree> I don't use win
09:59:14 <ree> I'm on freebsd 
09:59:14 <Johan4Jesus> k i am gonna reboot into linux and try to figure the cvs etc out , maybe i get irc started as well
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10:31:38 <ult> wb Jesus
10:31:45 <I440r> hey dood
10:31:47 <I440r> hi there
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10:31:59 <Johan4Jesus> ty i am now in linux
10:33:05 <I440r> COOL
10:33:05 <Johan4Jesus> in BitchX
10:33:05 <I440r> what distro ?
10:33:05 <ult> ew yuk
10:33:05 <I440r> hehe
10:33:05 <Johan4Jesus> i wanna CVS to sourceforge
10:33:05 <I440r> bitchx is ok P
10:33:05 <Johan4Jesus> what u mean what distro , i downloaded it
10:33:05 <I440r> redhat ?
10:33:05 <I440r> debian ?
10:33:05 <I440r> slackware ?
10:33:05 <Johan4Jesus> i have mandrake
10:33:08 <I440r> aha
10:33:10 <I440r> ok :)
10:33:20 <I440r> is mandrake one of the ones based on debian ?
10:33:24 <Johan4Jesus> i think i downloaded the source
10:33:32 <I440r> or is that one based on redhat
10:33:34 <Johan4Jesus> i am not sure
10:33:41 <I440r> k
10:34:09 <Johan4Jesus> i am gonna close this bitchx and reopen it in an X window
10:34:15 <I440r> k:)
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10:43:02 <Johan4Jesus> I440r u here?
10:56:23 <Johan4Jesus> hello
11:01:49 <I440r> yea
11:01:50 <I440r> sorry
11:01:52 <I440r> im here :)
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11:02:22 <Johan4Jesus> okay i have registered at sourceforge
11:02:49 <Johan4Jesus> now how do i do the CVS story
11:06:19 <I440r> oh
11:06:20 <I440r> erm
11:06:27 <I440r> theres dox on sourceforge about that
11:06:39 <I440r> join #sourceforge
11:06:59 <Johan4Jesus> yes thank you very i am going to read it now
11:07:19 <Johan4Jesus> i guess it required a doctors degree how to do it right?
11:07:26 <I440r> when they are there the ppl in #sourceforge can help alot
11:07:51 <I440r> hehe no... not realy, i managed to get it eventually heh but that was ages ago, not used it for a while...
11:07:54 <I440r> so i forget
11:08:22 <Johan4Jesus> okay that fine if u forgot how
11:09:32 <I440r> get the cvs howto
11:09:44 <I440r> look in /usr/doc for a howto direcory
11:09:51 <I440r> and see if there is a howto in there for cvs
11:09:57 <Johan4Jesus> where is that 
11:10:11 <I440r> cd /usr/doc
11:10:13 <I440r> ls
11:10:18 <I440r> see if there is a howto directory
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12:03:29 <Johan4Jesus> I440r u here?
12:03:29 <I440r> yes and no :)
12:03:29 <I440r> whuts up ?
12:03:29 <Johan4Jesus> i have now the latest source
12:03:52 <Johan4Jesus> ok give your command line with nasm to assemble your code
12:04:15 <Johan4Jesus> i use nasm -o is -f elf isforth.asm
12:04:28 <I440r> that should work
12:04:35 <Johan4Jesus> and then ld
12:04:40 <I440r> erm
12:04:43 <Johan4Jesus> ld 
12:04:52 <I440r> i just make nasm produce the executable
12:04:56 <I440r> theres a makefile in there
12:04:58 <I440r> i just say make
12:04:59 <Johan4Jesus> ld -o ss 
12:06:13 <Johan4Jesus> okay i did that 
12:06:32 <Johan4Jesus> is your forth suppose to do anything?
12:07:21 <Johan4Jesus> i have not read your source code in detial
12:07:30 <I440r> no
12:07:33 <I440r> you cant run it yet
12:07:38 <I440r> theres no i/o for a start
12:07:42 <Johan4Jesus> w
12:07:45 <I440r> quit isnt written either
12:07:53 <I440r> quit is the mail noop in forth
12:08:00 <Johan4Jesus> okay do u want 
12:08:16 <Johan4Jesus> yes i know all about quit
12:08:26 <I440r> tcn has written some definitions for i/o that i need to add
12:08:26 <Johan4Jesus> do u want me to help you?
12:08:30 <I440r> yea
12:08:53 <Johan4Jesus> did he write it in asm or forth
12:08:54 <I440r> do you know forth ???
12:09:13 <Johan4Jesus> yes like i told u before if u remember
12:09:18 <Johan4Jesus> do u remember?
12:09:18 <I440r> c first, then convertd them to asm, waiting for him to convert to forth
12:09:24 <I440r> well i know u KNOW forth
12:09:27 <I440r> but do you know it inside out ?
12:09:28 <I440r> like
12:09:30 <Johan4Jesus> i wrote
12:09:38 <I440r> could you write a high level definition for find ?
12:09:44 <Johan4Jesus> yes i know it insode
12:09:54 <I440r> i want a high level find
12:09:57 <Johan4Jesus> that would
12:10:09 <Johan4Jesus> u want a high level find?
12:10:13 <I440r> yes
12:10:37 <Johan4Jesus> do u for the moment care if it is slow
12:10:43 <I440r> not at the moment
12:10:44 <I440r> in fact
12:10:51 <I440r> my dictuionary isnt even threaded
12:10:53 <I440r> only ONE thread
12:10:55 <I440r> no hashing
12:10:57 <I440r> i mean
12:11:10 <I440r> slow doesnt matter
12:11:22 <I440r> it can be improved later
12:11:33 <I440r> and when i implement hashing it will work alot faster
12:12:35 <Johan4Jesus> okay so u want me to write u a high level find?
12:12:50 <I440r> that would be good :)
12:13:05 <Johan4Jesus> ok when do u want it?
12:13:09 <I440r> there are also a cpl of other definituions in my kernel that i think should be high level
12:13:16 <I440r> but i cant remember which rite now hehe
12:13:17 <I440r> no rush
12:13:29 <I440r> im still not 100% ready to pick isforth back up yet,
12:13:34 <I440r> need to finish some things here
12:13:37 <Johan4Jesus> i have a lot of free 
12:13:40 <I440r> like my current contract :)
12:13:57 <Johan4Jesus> u do your contract okay
12:14:27 <Johan4Jesus> can u give a username password to post to your CVS
12:14:27 <I440r> heh its boring :P
12:14:31 <I440r> im just doing dox :P
12:14:32 <I440r> bleh
12:14:54 <Johan4Jesus> is it in forth the contract?
12:14:58 <I440r> no
12:14:59 <I440r> i wish
12:15:50 <Johan4Jesus> okay so then how much longer do u want to talk before i get to high level find for you?
12:16:32 <I440r> hehe
12:16:33 <Johan4Jesus> u r suppose to be busy hehehehe
12:16:46 <I440r> yea SUPPOSED to be :P
12:17:23 <Johan4Jesus> okay can u give that i/o code please and usersname/password for your CVS in sourceforge
12:17:54 <Johan4Jesus> but if u first want the high level find before username password
12:17:54 <I440r> hang on let me find it
12:17:57 <Johan4Jesus> that
12:18:09 <I440r> well ive not added anyone on sf yet, not sure how
12:18:16 <Johan4Jesus> okay u r looking for 
12:18:29 <Johan4Jesus> okay i will find out for you okay
12:18:53 <Johan4Jesus> do u have an email addy or r u in here when u r in the computer
12:19:24 <I440r> this has the i/o code in it that i need to put in isforths sources....
12:19:30 <I440r> i ahve an email
12:19:34 <I440r> mark4@purplecoder.com
12:19:52 <I440r> and i have my laptop in the other room that will tell me when i have email :)
12:19:59 <I440r> i can check mail from anywhere
12:20:14 <I440r> ack my dcc
12:20:16 <Johan4Jesus> okay tell me diddid that get work
12:20:19 <I440r> do you see my dcc send ?
12:20:27 <I440r> it says 0% sent
12:20:27 <Johan4Jesus> no
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12:20:45 <I440r> weird
12:20:53 <Johan4Jesus> yes my bitch is not set up for dcc get
12:21:03 <I440r> aha
12:21:18 <I440r> just say /dcc get I440r
12:21:19 <I440r> i think
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12:24:21 <Johan4Jesus> okay i got it
12:25:07 <jrus> send me request here to for the main.asm
12:25:51 <I440r> different box ?
12:26:05 <jrus> yes win98 net server
12:26:27 <I440r> brb gotta take a quick shower...
12:26:37 <I440r> mite take a poke arround isforth with ya when i get back
12:26:38 <Johan4Jesus> k
12:26:55 <Johan4Jesus> k will be here
12:43:11 <I440r> back
12:43:15 <I440r> do you know php ?
12:43:20 <Johan4Jesus> where is that 
12:43:38 <Johan4Jesus> no but its suppose to be easy to understand
12:43:42 <I440r> eya heh
12:43:45 <I440r> i got a book
12:43:56 <I440r> i need to learn it because i think i need to use it on the isforth web page
12:44:04 <Johan4Jesus> do u have quest
12:44:15 <Johan4Jesus> so u have question?
12:44:42 <Johan4Jesus> why must u use it on the isforth page?
12:44:45 <I440r> hang on, i ve got to get the isforth sources and look at them...
12:45:13 <Johan4Jesus> okay i am looking at main.asm
12:45:51 <I440r> im trying to ftp from my shell1.sourceforge.net account to the purplecoder ftp site
12:46:01 <I440r> but i cant seem to get the purplecoder ftp directory :P
12:46:01 <I440r> grr
12:49:05 <Johan4Jesus> hehe why do u want to ftp from your shell account
12:49:40 <I440r> the sources hehe
12:49:47 <I440r> ive got about 3 different copies of them here
12:49:56 <I440r> THESE are guaranteed to be the absolute latest :P
12:50:25 <Johan4Jesus> so the sources on the CVS is not the latests
12:51:17 <Johan4Jesus> why do u not use CVS to update the code in CVS
12:51:25 <Johan4Jesus> it should be easy
12:52:52 <I440r> because i forget how heheh
12:53:30 <Johan4Jesus> okay u must make me co - developer in isforth
12:53:47 <ult> i440r is pretty stupid
12:53:48 <Johan4Jesus> then i will update the code for you
12:53:49 <ult> so he'd probably do it
12:54:36 <I440r> \erm no... not yet :)
12:54:54 <I440r> im not ready to let others update the cvs reposatory yet...
12:55:14 <Johan4Jesus> okay np your choice
12:56:19 <I440r> hang on... brb
13:00:18 <I440r> ok
13:00:18 <I440r> erm
13:00:24 <I440r> HOW do i cvs get my stuff :P
13:00:27 <I440r> i phorget :P
13:00:53 <Johan4Jesus> ok go to the CVS page on isforth
13:00:58 <Johan4Jesus> it says there
13:01:16 <I440r> erm whats the exact url ?
13:01:21 <Johan4Jesus> when u typed in the long line to login i w
13:01:31 <Johan4Jesus> o boo i do not know
13:01:41 <Johan4Jesus> hold on
13:02:03 <Johan4Jesus> https://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=2513
13:03:32 <Johan4Jesus>  cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.isforth.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/isforth login
13:04:00 <Johan4Jesus> u can just type in that command if u can cut and paste
13:04:32 <Johan4Jesus> cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.isforth.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/isforth checkout
13:04:39 <Johan4Jesus> then u do that
13:04:51 <I440r> yea i got it :)
13:05:32 <I440r> argh some of these have DOS end of lines :P
13:05:33 <I440r> grr
13:08:26 <Johan4Jesus> in  which module is cold? 
13:09:55 <I440r> cold ?
13:09:58 <I440r> oh
13:10:08 <I440r> either main or exec
13:10:12 <I440r> its a stubb right now
13:11:39 <Johan4Jesus> okay i wasting quit a lot of time trying to get around in emacs i never used it before
13:11:55 <I440r> hehe i NEVER use emacs
13:11:59 <I440r> i use joe :)
13:12:13 <I440r> ok
13:12:19 <I440r> got some stuff to go over
13:12:26 <I440r> "vocabularies" etc
13:12:41 <I440r> this is part of "what file should find go in"
13:12:50 <Johan4Jesus> okay i want 
13:12:50 <I440r> when is "find" used
13:12:58 <Johan4Jesus> okay go ahead
13:13:08 <I440r> find is only ever used in interactive mode
13:13:11 <I440r> or when compiling
13:13:25 <I440r> NEITHER of those is useable after doing a turnkey
13:13:39 <I440r> normaly after doing a turnkey all you have done is strip all the headers out
13:13:45 <I440r> and saved the executable as is
13:14:04 <I440r> which makes every single compiling/creating word DEADWOOD in that executable
13:14:07 <I440r> you can never get to them
13:14:12 <I440r> you can never use them
13:14:14 <I440r> they just take up space
13:14:15 <I440r> well
13:14:27 <I440r> my idea was to make my compiler vocabulary transient
13:14:39 <I440r> when you turnkey every single word in that dictionary will be discarded
13:14:52 <I440r> this means that every vocabulary needs to be in its own section
13:14:58 <I440r> its own buffer of memory
13:15:25 <I440r> i think find should go in the compiler vocabulary and in the compiler.1 sourcefile
13:15:39 <I440r> its not absolutely CORRECT to have it in there
13:15:49 <I440r> because find is not a compiling word but...
13:16:49 <Johan4Jesus> i would first like to an EMIT
13:16:55 <Johan4Jesus> and KEY
13:17:02 <I440r> yes
13:17:26 <I440r> i just wish tcn were here because key and ?key are his babies rite now heh
13:17:52 <Johan4Jesus> okay i am just gonna steal his code from main.asm
13:18:05 <Johan4Jesus> and put then into where ever
13:20:00 <I440r> should go into io.1
13:21:02 <Johan4Jesus> okay where must i put the terminal initialize code
13:22:27 <I440r> that should proly go in main i think
13:22:39 <I440r> but thers no real reset entry point right now
13:22:49 <I440r> cold is just a jmp to cold
13:23:54 <I440r> ohhh i know another word taht REALY needs working on
13:23:56 <I440r> WORD
13:24:07 <I440r> the code there prolly doesnt even work 
13:24:22 <I440r> iits based on fpc which sux
13:24:40 <I440r> last definition in io.1
13:24:41 <Johan4Jesus> okay so give me direction as to what i must do
13:24:57 <I440r> hmmm
13:24:59 <I440r> well.
13:25:02 <Johan4Jesus> okay sp 
13:25:04 <I440r> find i want in high level
13:25:05 <I440r> and word too
13:25:11 <I440r> i think word works best high level
13:25:18 <I440r> it should use a low level parse
13:25:26 <I440r> which is the nexdt to last word in io.1 right now...
13:25:29 <I440r> that can be recoded too
13:25:47 <Johan4Jesus> i am so sorry i do not have all my books here most are at home
13:26:34 <Johan4Jesus> okay by the way do u have a string compare function?
13:26:41 <Johan4Jesus> i need it for find
13:26:57 <I440r> i dont remember :P
13:27:07 <I440r> but i dont believe i do
13:27:08 <I440r> \btw
13:27:14 <I440r> isforth is ALL LOWER CASE
13:27:20 <I440r> but case sensative
13:27:24 <Johan4Jesus> o okay r u gonna
13:27:28 <I440r> the kernel wont have any words defined like
13:27:28 <I440r> "
13:27:32 <I440r> "FOOBAR"
13:27:38 <I440r> it will be "foobar"
13:27:52 <Johan4Jesus> okay okay
13:27:52 <ult> what kind of fucked up language is case sensitive with the vocabulary
13:27:57 <I440r> but the user should be able to have FoobAr if he/she realy thinks thats cool
13:27:58 <ult> that's bullshit man
13:28:08 <I440r> forth usually
13:28:10 <I440r> so
13:28:11 <I440r> foo
13:28:12 <I440r> Foo
13:28:15 <I440r> fOo
13:28:17 <I440r> foO
13:28:21 <I440r> etc are all different words
13:28:22 <I440r> yes
13:28:24 <I440r> very bad
13:28:46 <I440r> c too
13:28:46 <I440r> c is ase sensative
13:29:29 <Johan4Jesus> okay s must i write u find before i put the emit and key into io
13:30:05 <I440r> well u can put them in there if u want but they arent ready yet, tcn is still working on ?key i believe
13:30:38 <Johan4Jesus> yes that true ?key is not defined yet
13:31:35 <Johan4Jesus> when will he come online again
13:31:44 <I440r> i dunno
13:31:47 <Johan4Jesus> the
13:31:52 <Johan4Jesus> okay
13:31:52 <I440r> he is like the scarlet pimpenelle
13:32:02 <I440r> damned elusive :P
13:32:09 <Johan4Jesus> okay
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13:50:03 <Johan4Jesus> hello
13:51:33 <I440r> wb ult
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13:51:41 <I440r> ult whats port 143 ?
13:53:43 <ult> 143 is IMAP
13:54:45 <I440r> hrm
13:54:54 <I440r> someont tried to make an imap connection to my box hrm
13:55:02 <I440r> i dont do imap :P
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14:00:50 <I440r> now someone is trying to connect on port 0 :P
14:01:06 <I440r> Dec 29 16:59:37 gateway kernel: Packet log: input DENY eth1 PROTO=1 65.2.12.6:0 206.64.99.91:0 L=28 S=0x00 I=41691 F=0x0000 T=113 (#29)
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17:41:45 --- mode: tolkien.openprojects.net set mode: +tnlo 83 I440r
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18:30:13 <TheBlueWizard> hiya all!
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19:11:06 <TheBlueWizard> rello ult
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19:11:12 <ult> hea
19:11:24 <TheBlueWizard> :)
21:07:08 <TheBlueWizard> bye all
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