00:00:00 --- log: started forth/00.12.28 00:55:44 please have a pleasant night, everyone 00:56:39 --- quit: Talia` (ShadowIRC 1.0.3 PPC) 02:17:25 --- quit: I440r (Ping timeout for I440r[purplecoder.com]) 08:21:16 --- join: P1nK_SP1d3r (dfhsdr@APastourelles-101-1-2-210.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined #forth 08:46:06 --- join: I440r (mark4@purplecoder.com) joined #forth 09:28:21 --- part: P1nK_SP1d3r left #forth 09:53:14 --- join: ult (ult@1Cust11.tnt3.nashville.tn.da.uu.net) joined #forth 12:37:06 --- log: started forth/00.12.28 12:37:06 --- join: clog (nef@bespin.org) joined #forth 12:37:06 --- topic: 'do drop >in for Retrocomputin' Time! ;)' 12:37:06 --- topic: set by TheBlueWizard on [Wed Dec 27 19:47:42 2000] 12:37:06 --- names: list (clog ult ree) 12:37:06 --- names: EOL 13:59:33 --- join: TheBlueWizard (tbw@ppp-7.u1-h1.dca.fcc.net) joined #forth 13:59:33 --- mode: ChanServ set mode: +o TheBlueWizard 13:59:41 hiya all 13:59:50 will be here only briefly 13:59:50 hey tbw 13:59:54 heh 13:59:55 hiya ree 13:59:57 doh =) 14:00:11 how goes programming? 14:00:28 a lot of reading today hehe 14:00:40 cool 14:00:42 about? 14:01:04 Linux Pogramming Bible, New Orleans brocure (it is a fat one!) 14:01:20 brochure even 14:01:21 thinking of any projects to start? 14:01:50 * TheBlueWizard has several projects...some are forced back on back burner due to technical problems 14:01:56 you? 14:02:00 just dist =) 14:02:07 dist? 14:02:08 the project is getting my ass to focus on it 14:02:19 development in science & technology 14:02:23 a organization 14:02:42 dist.org/dist.net 14:02:51 hmm.... 14:03:07 I thought I explained it before? 14:03:10 the dist system 14:03:17 you never told me about it 14:03:58 hehe, ohh 14:04:25 yeah, it'll be a input based system 14:05:12 that will structurally map out logic 14:05:23 so you can apply it recursively and develop it using itself 14:05:25 * TheBlueWizard peeks at dist.org 14:05:30 sort of like a intelligence system 14:05:36 yeah, nothing up really 14:05:38 hmm.... 14:05:47 it'll be interfaced directly within the dist system 14:05:53 (the web sites) 14:06:01 barebones, definitely 14:06:08 people will be able to create accounts and manipulate it in their own unique ways 14:06:09 yep 14:06:21 I'm going for that type of look/use 14:06:29 sounds like you have a grand plan in mind.... 14:06:41 hah, yeah, grand to me at least =) 14:07:31 heh 14:08:00 I just would like to develop a system that can be interfaced with in any manner possible 14:08:18 extended infinitely 14:08:44 without using any abstractions 14:08:53 that sounds rather nebulous.... 14:09:27 yeah 14:09:29 it is 14:09:34 hehe 14:09:53 you could eventually use it to disassemble/reverse engineer binaries 14:10:04 or research a cure for acne =) 14:10:26 or create a virtual world that can interact with your mind and ideas in ways you express yourself 14:10:42 freedom of expression/individualism 14:10:43 funny you mention disassemble/reverse engineer...one of my project is to code up an interactive disassembler 14:10:51 cool 14:11:01 I think that is one major step that needs to be made 14:11:23 but this would be able to approach any type of information for disassemblement 14:11:31 I think I will use ncurses for now to develop that....but first I need to wrap up other things hehe 14:11:42 hehe, cool 14:11:48 you could offer both ncurses/X 14:12:07 * TheBlueWizard doesn't have enough knowledge about X pgmming 14:12:21 I'm implementing this system in asm 14:12:31 very simple asm, just calls actually 14:12:54 asm to do X pgmming??? 14:12:58 hah, no 14:13:00 the dist system 14:13:12 but yeah, asm for anything is great =) 14:13:27 I wish that there was a Xlib that wasn't function oriented 14:13:43 uh....ok hehe....my disassembler will be written in C though 14:14:04 function oriented? what do you mean by that? 14:14:04 there actually is though, someone implemented X within java 14:14:19 for functional programming 14:14:25 like C 14:14:36 Xconnect() { } 14:14:56 um...actually I plan to proto up in Python first...this way I can cook up the general structure/layout real fast 14:15:29 I'm not conforming dist to any language specification 14:15:34 it'll be chaotic 14:15:41 using your definition I could argue that Forth is function oriented :) 14:16:04 it is 14:16:04 just calls functions words =) 14:16:04 chaotic?! are you trying to fight M$'s .NET thing, eh? 14:16:04 but it also can be stack based 14:16:12 hah, no 14:16:48 :) 14:17:41 I know of one of the major developers 14:18:06 he calls it a piece of shit =) 14:18:10 developer of what? 14:18:11 but it pays hehe 14:18:13 --- join: Fare (fare@ppp8-net1-idf2-bas1.isdnet.net) joined #forth 14:18:18 microsoft's virtual world community 14:18:21 hiya Fare 14:18:21 hey fare 14:18:29 ah....hehe 14:18:44 vworlds.net I think? 14:18:46 or .org 14:19:15 I see.....um....I gotta go....time to eat! taake care! 14:19:43 later 14:19:45 take care =) 14:19:53 --- part: TheBlueWizard left #forth 14:21:02 Hum. My ADSL connection sucks. 14:21:17 heh 14:21:34 Not a week without a problem. Had to reboot the modem and the computer to get it to work. 14:21:47 going to take it back? 14:21:50 I couldn't even ping the modem anymore. 14:21:58 ree: I have no choice, unhappily. 14:22:03 you sure? 14:22:10 my mom always finds a way to take something back 14:22:26 she's even called the ceo of a few companies directly heh 14:23:09 :) 14:23:14 we've gotten a ton of free stuff doing that 14:23:20 entire eletric grill 14:23:49 ree: unhappily, ADSL is the only volume-unlimited decent-speed connection I can get at affordable price. 14:23:52 free filters that cost a lot of money for our water filtration system 14:24:08 well, maybe you shouldn't be having those problems with the modem 14:24:13 could be a defect 14:25:31 --- quit: ult (Ping timeout for ult[1Cust86.tnt8.nashville.tn.da.uu.net]) 14:25:58 time to copy over vim for the mac =) 14:27:47 bbiab, going to actually work now =) 15:13:38 --- join: ult (ult@1Cust244.tnt2.nashville.tn.da.uu.net) joined #forth 15:50:52 --- quit: ult (Ping timeout for ult[1Cust244.tnt2.nashville.tn.da.uu.net]) 16:19:35 --- join: Fare_ (fare@ppp8-net1-idf2-bas1.isdnet.net) joined #forth 16:19:37 --- quit: Fare (Connection reset by pear) 16:19:53 --- nick: Fare_ -> Fare 16:53:51 --- quit: ree (Ping timeout for ree[twisted.goodnet.com]) 17:16:26 --- join: ree (jwm@twisted.goodnet.com) joined #forth 17:28:35 --- quit: Fare (Connection reset by pear) 17:52:32 --- quit: ree (Ping timeout for ree[twisted.goodnet.com]) 18:00:27 --- join: Fare (fare@ppp8-net1-idf2-bas1.isdnet.net) joined #forth 18:08:24 --- join: TheBlueWizard (TheBlueWiz@ppp-226.u1-h2.dca.fcc.net) joined #forth 18:08:25 --- mode: ChanServ set mode: +o TheBlueWizard 18:08:30 hiya all 18:08:37 --- mode: TheBlueWizard set mode: +oo clog Fare 18:11:56 --- join: ree (jwm@twisted.goodnet.com) joined #forth 18:12:08 hiya ree 18:12:10 --- mode: TheBlueWizard set mode: +o ree 18:12:16 hey bud =) 18:12:25 :) 18:12:30 tripped the circuit breaker hehe 18:12:38 all the computers shut off =) 18:12:40 --- topic: set to 'do drop >in' by TheBlueWizard 18:12:52 * TheBlueWizard shakes his head 18:13:07 yeah 18:13:30 how was I suppose to know that the 6 outlet attachment was fused to the actual outlet box >8) 18:13:43 and that a 9" flat head screwdriver is stupid to use around electricity 18:14:17 * TheBlueWizard groans 18:14:36 I think you need to take a course in Electricity 101 hehe 18:14:41 hah 18:14:46 I should of years ago =) 18:14:50 but too late for that 18:15:12 too late? why? 18:16:08 been shocked so many times I mean 18:16:25 shocked by electricity? 18:16:34 yeah 18:17:05 * TheBlueWizard shakes his head again 18:18:03 I've been getting shocked since before it was fashionable 18:18:25 lol....so you must have electric hairdo by now haha 18:18:46 no, just an electric personality =) 18:18:52 * ree hits the cymbal 18:19:04 lol 18:20:25 how are your projects? 18:20:59 you already asked me that question earlier today! 18:21:43 yep 18:21:58 how are they this very single moment? 18:22:20 * TheBlueWizard sighs 18:23:13 my current tasks are: IRCing, reading Slashdot, and read a bit more of the book then I gonna hit the hay....and face another dreary day tomorrow lol 18:23:32 heh 18:23:47 yeah, I wish I could find some way to devote myself to dist 18:23:47 what about yours, for a change? :) 18:24:29 I did some messing around with the site html 18:24:31 made it even smaller heh 18:24:43 downloaded vim and installed it on the macs 18:24:56 now I am trying to get the ditto drive connected 18:25:17 ditto connected to mac? 18:25:45 nope 18:25:48 pc 18:25:59 I need a two way parallel cable 18:26:13 er, two heads the same 18:26:49 ah 18:27:08 * TheBlueWizard isn't familiar with mac hardware stuff 18:32:30 how noisy is your ditto? 18:32:50 I have no idea....I can't hear 18:32:58 ohh 18:33:11 mine is pretty loud 18:33:26 might wake up the neighbors heh 18:33:56 hmm...I understand that noisy machines aren't good sign of well-functioning ones 18:34:01 heh 18:34:15 yeah 18:38:32 --- join: ult (ult@1Cust249.tnt9.nashville.tn.da.uu.net) joined #forth 18:38:42 hiya ult 18:38:46 --- mode: TheBlueWizard set mode: +o ult 18:38:53 hi! 18:39:10 hey ultimatem 18:41:23 heh 18:42:20 --- quit: ult (Ping timeout for ult[1Cust249.tnt9.nashville.tn.da.uu.net]) 18:44:40 cool, it finds my second parallel port fine 18:44:46 so now I just need to apply the patch 18:44:51 and see if it all works 18:45:21 so you're following some instruction found on the Net for hooking up Ditto to Linux, eh? 18:45:40 yep 18:45:40 want the url? 18:45:46 sure 18:45:49 I bookmarked it 18:45:50 http://www.linuxuser.co.za/articles/000013.php3 18:46:12 thx 18:46:31 I take it this URL is quite easy to follow, eh? 18:46:37 yep 18:47:29 heh, the ftape project site is neat 18:47:48 ftape? 18:47:52 yeah 18:47:55 what the ditto drive uses 18:48:01 floppy tape driver 18:48:23 is that originally a part of Windows version? 18:48:23 it's pointed to by that site 18:48:30 not sure 18:49:50 * TheBlueWizard is now viewing that website 18:51:05 hehe 18:51:54 the ftp site has more recent versions than what is pointed to by that page 18:52:02 hmm.... 19:02:08 --- nick: Fare -> FareSleep 19:02:19 --- nick: FareSleep -> Fare6053 19:02:27 heh 19:11:12 awesome 19:11:13 it worked 19:11:15 now to test the drive 19:13:04 kewl 19:16:19 hmm 19:16:22 device isn't opening 19:16:34 ohh 19:16:37 might know why 19:17:39 hmm... 19:23:42 ahh 19:23:45 now I know 19:23:47 --- join: mark4 (mark4@purplecoder.com) joined #forth 19:24:38 hiya mark4 19:24:42 --- mode: TheBlueWizard set mode: +o mark4 19:24:51 hi dood 19:24:58 --- nick: mark4 -> I440r 19:26:21 * TheBlueWizard recognizes mark4/I440r in any clothing :) 19:26:40 :) 19:29:57 --- quit: I440r (Read error to I440r[purplecoder.com]: Connection reset by peer) 19:30:05 --- join: I440r (mark4@purplecoder.com) joined #forth 19:30:28 hey i44444440r 19:30:46 heh 19:30:46 hi dood 19:30:58 im fighting with this )%(&^*)^^&*%(78 firewall script again 19:31:03 using a tool called mason 19:31:07 that SEEMS very good 19:31:15 you start out with a blank firewall 19:31:30 you set the MASON rules to accept everything 19:31:35 you set it running in learn mode 19:31:40 and it WATCHES everything 19:31:58 it makes firewall ACCEPT rules for everything it sees 19:32:10 then after a few days you change your polacy to DENY 19:32:32 you now have a default polacy of deny with a firewall script taht explicatly ACCEPTS the stuff you usually do 19:32:34 well 19:32:40 ive got it in accept/learn mode 19:32:46 and im getting DENY rules 19:32:47 fuck 19:32:59 Dec 28 22:29:51 gateway kernel: Packet log: output DENY eth1 PROTO=6 192.168.1.3:32819 199.232.159.164:6667 L=60 S=0x00 I=0 F=0x4000 T=63 SYN (#6) 19:33:18 its not working :( 19:33:35 * TheBlueWizard doesn't have any experience with MASON 19:33:39 sorry.... 19:34:26 me either :P 19:35:17 heh 19:36:43 --- quit: I440r (Read error to I440r[purplecoder.com]: Connection reset by peer) 19:36:51 --- join: I440r (mark4@purplecoder.com) joined #forth 19:37:22 problem with connection? 19:42:25 no 19:42:30 problem with the fucking firewall 19:42:39 ah 19:42:47 this util im using is injecting fucked up bogus DENY rules into the firewall 19:42:53 taht are fucking me over big time 19:43:05 im fucking had it up to here with the whole fucking firewall bullshit 19:43:10 i have TWO fucking choices 19:43:17 1) accept all packets to or from anywhere 19:43:23 2) deny all packets to or from anywhere 19:43:38 sounds like MASON is real lame.... 19:46:04 no 19:46:06 its not 19:46:09 its very clever 19:46:15 but its fucking me over and pissing me off 19:46:24 k 19:53:31 gona go bye bye any second now prolly 19:55:13 heh...ok 19:55:37 --- join: ult (ult@1Cust29.tnt5.nashville.tn.da.uu.net) joined #forth 19:56:30 ult 19:56:32 u ever used mason ? 19:56:45 nope 19:57:37 rello ult 19:57:41 hi hi 20:23:10 --- quit: I440r (Ping timeout for I440r[purplecoder.com]) 20:23:58 --- join: I440r (mark4@purplecoder.com) joined #forth 20:25:22 rello I440r 20:25:28 --- mode: TheBlueWizard set mode: +oo I440r ult 20:25:55 hmm 20:25:58 isn't working yet 20:26:03 might be because of the cable I used 20:26:35 I'm just using a serial cable to connect it to the parallel port hehe 20:26:38 what isn't working? 20:26:44 I was hoping it'd work ;) 20:27:00 oh....no, serial cable != parallel cable hehe 20:27:05 the ditto drive 20:27:06 yeah 20:27:22 I have a parallel to parallel cable 20:27:28 but it's a laplink cable, (crossover) 20:27:30 so it might not work 20:27:37 I'll give it a go though 20:28:05 k 20:28:28 nope 20:28:31 that won't work 20:28:34 it's got two female ends 20:28:46 er, male 20:29:39 gender bender time lol 20:29:56 heh 20:30:02 I CAN'T TELL 20:30:05 GOOD GOD 20:30:22 * TheBlueWizard is astounded 20:30:33 you can't tell the gender of your baby?! 20:31:42 I'm going to try a scsi cable now heheh 20:32:59 * TheBlueWizard has only a parallel Ditto 20:35:37 it is parallel =) 20:35:42 but a scsi cable is also 25 pin heh 20:36:21 man, you are mixing up your cables! 20:38:14 yeah, doesn't work 20:38:33 I wonder what the differences are between a 25pin serial and parallel cable 20:38:50 plenty 20:39:25 do you know if there is a way around the two lines after ? 20:39:39 to have it display properly instead of add two friggen lines to it 20:39:56 what browser are you using? 20:40:01 mozilla 20:40:07 does the same on netscape and I think IE too 20:40:28 I guess it was a initial netscape bug that every browser borrowed 20:40:40 hmm.... 20:41:23 or check www.w3.org to check wheter is supposed to give those lines...suspect not 20:42:10 it doesn't say anything about it 20:42:19 but I noticed all browsers do it 20:42:53 hmm....file a bug? report hehe 20:42:57 lol 20:43:01 after 6 years? =) 20:43:05 7 almost 20:44:54 hrm...moz is technically born in '98...but yeah...but do realize that companies were busily competing and thus does not necessarily care about the proper behavior of the browsers.... 20:45:23 now that moz is free from competitive pressure, it may have a chance.... 20:45:32 * TheBlueWizard is a hopeful idiot lol 20:45:44 well, technically, mozilla was born in '94, but they named it netscape 20:47:05 true....but I'm referring to the open-sourcing of mozilla 20:47:05 yeah 20:47:05 it's with any browser though 20:47:13 even inside text browsers 20:48:17 like lynx? 20:49:01 or w3m 20:49:09 much better text browser =) 20:49:29 netscape is the "best" web browser ive ever seen 20:49:34 i HATE ie 20:49:36 lol 20:49:42 you got to be kidding me? 20:49:45 mozilla is slow as fsck and FAT too 20:49:51 netscape is crap 20:49:54 its just the best 20:49:58 nah 20:49:59 not even close 20:50:01 ie is much better 20:50:07 erm 20:50:09 much faster, better at rendering 20:50:12 not a fscking chance 20:50:14 better css support 20:50:16 ie is evil 20:50:21 erm 20:50:31 better automation 20:50:38 with storing user names/passwords 20:50:50 if bill gates offered me his entire fortune to run ie i would take his money, donate it to the nra and NOT install ie :P 20:50:53 basically better at everything but java 20:51:03 well i disable java 20:51:09 it even loads java faster 20:51:14 yeah 20:51:19 I don't even use windows anymore 20:51:54 but, netscape has always sucked for unix 20:52:03 w3m renders better heh 20:52:07 than mozilla too 20:52:47 mozilla m18 can't even render ebay 20:52:47 hate to say, but on overall quality for today's browsers, IE seems to be the best....I will wait until mozilla or other open source browser reach sufficient maturity 20:52:47 yeah tbw 20:53:02 but I'm making my pages html 3.2 compliant 20:53:13 so I don't care about new features 20:53:17 I don't even use tables heh 20:53:46 heh 20:53:59 Sadly enough, the presentation on Netscape 4 is rather horrible - worse than the presentation without stylesheets, since Netscape applies the stylistic suggestions wrongly (applying rules for the entire FORM element erroneously to its first field only!). 20:54:11 heh, almost everything on the net is about a "netscape workaround" 20:55:00 i do have to admit, netscape 6 is a pile of shit 20:55:05 fat 20:55:06 slow 20:55:08 looks like shit 20:55:23 I like the new mozilla appearance 20:55:25 basically its just mozilla :P 20:55:27 you can use themes too 20:55:29 no 20:55:32 i definatly dont 20:55:33 to look like older ones 20:55:38 you get use to it 20:55:43 no 20:55:46 or you can change it to look like communicator 20:55:48 thers too much bullshit ther 20:55:53 but a nicer looking communicator 20:56:03 everything looks FALT too 20:56:14 hell 20:56:18 I'd rather use a text browser 20:56:22 hehe 20:56:24 but, I still like its appearance 20:56:27 lynx will rot your brain :P 20:56:39 w3m makes it all better =) 20:56:48 erm w3m is txt ? 20:56:54 yep 20:56:55 i hate the lynx interface 20:56:57 much better than lynx 20:57:06 cursor left and right are FUCKED UP 20:57:19 displays frames, tables, can use local cgi 20:57:26 should be cursor MOVES the cursor, NOT follows a link 20:57:26 it displays slashdot perfectly 20:57:36 I use vi keys under lynx 20:57:36 ENTER or SPACE should follow a link 20:57:37 frames are evil 20:57:39 but now I don't have lynx installed 20:57:48 try open www.purplecoder.com in a frame 20:57:52 w3m is made to be a advanced pager 20:57:59 it will blow your frames away 20:58:03 hah 20:58:12 you politics major =) 20:58:17 USE MY SITE THIS WAY 20:58:18 you cant load that page INSIDE a frame on your page 20:58:27 you use js? 20:58:34 i have a "no frames or hava" polacy 20:58:34 or TARGET tags? 20:58:37 fsck no 20:58:50 java and java sc ript are PERMANANTLY disabled here 20:58:52 I have a no policy policy 20:59:05 I think the web sucks period 20:59:09 well 20:59:21 as intuitive as a jack ass with its ass to you 20:59:22 it would be alot nicer without all the auto popup windows 20:59:26 banner ads 20:59:28 and all that shit 20:59:42 if 1/3 of the people who have internat access log in 20:59:48 the net is flooded 20:59:53 * TheBlueWizard agrees with I440r re: ads stuff.... 21:00:06 yeah 21:00:06 all that bullshit graphical adverts n shit are fucking it up 21:00:11 my front page is 500 bytes 21:00:23 i have a LITTLE gfx in my page 21:00:30 ahhhhh 21:00:33 images on a web site! 21:00:36