00:00:00 --- log: started forth/00.12.22 00:32:28 hi 00:33:07 hey i440r 00:33:11 hi :) 00:33:23 fell assleep :P 00:33:29 hehe, trying to find a text converter that will justify text for me 00:33:32 given a specific width 00:33:41 might have to make one 00:33:42 multi edit 3.01 00:33:52 cool 00:33:52 that will do it 00:33:54 is it small? 00:34:10 define small ?? ehhe 00:34:52 hehe 00:35:01 I wanted just a single util 00:35:01 to run over text 00:35:06 hmmm 00:35:09 so then I can put it inside of html 00:35:15 well multi edit is a full blwon editor heh 00:35:20 ohh 00:35:21 ouch 00:35:29 erm you can formet it with html :) 00:35:45 yes 00:35:49 just dont use
00:35:58 but you can't justify it automatically like that 00:36:13 oh 00:36:15 no 00:36:17 u cant heh 00:36:17 you'd have to format it all yourself 00:37:30 prolly easy annuff to write the util 00:37:49 yep 00:37:51 I will 00:39:08 so i440r, you're making a small forth for linux? 00:39:18 yea 00:39:20 well 00:39:30 the kernel will be quite extensiv hehe 00:39:37 prolly more than it shud be heh 00:39:52 using syscalls, not using existing c libs 00:40:17 that's good I think 00:40:20 it's a lot of fun 00:40:30 it will make the KERNEL non portable 00:40:35 its being done in asm not c 00:40:39 I think it'll catch on with embedded/realtime unixes 00:40:45 but ill do other versions of the kernl too 00:40:58 prollt :) 00:41:03 prolly even 00:41:04 more than you think =) 00:41:11 u do embedded ? 00:41:19 Lafayette, Purdue University Airport, IN, United States (KLAF) 40-24-45N 086-56-51W 182M 00:41:19 Dec 21, 2000 - 04:54 PM EST / 2000.12.21 2154 UTC 00:41:19 Wind: from the W (260 degrees) at 18 MPH (16 KT) gusting to 23 MPH (20 KT):0 00:41:19 Visibility: 10 mile(s):0 00:41:19 nope, studied it a lot 00:41:23 Sky conditions: partly cloudy 00:41:36 Temperature: 6.1 F (-14.4 C) 00:41:36 Windchill: -27 F (-33 C):2 00:41:36 Dew Point: -2.0 F (-18.9 C) 00:41:36 and I like its concepts more than anything else 00:41:36 damned freezin brrrr 00:41:54 im not sure how good linux would be in a embedded app 00:42:05 linux absolutely MUST service its own shit periodically 00:42:22 using rt linux 00:42:32 yea 00:42:33 there are already several oses based off of the rt linux project 00:42:36 making money 00:42:39 cool 00:43:05 I was talking to tcn 00:43:06 fscking wind chill makes it -27 here argh 00:43:09 i hate cold:) 00:43:09 yea 00:43:11 saying he should make a kernel module 00:43:13 i saw hehe 00:43:30 kernel module to do what ? 00:43:38 forth ? 00:44:04 give the kernel the ability to compile and interpret forth source :) 00:44:07 cool heh 00:44:21 an extensible module that could do almost anything :)\ 00:45:22 yep 00:45:33 it could interface with devices easily that way 00:45:42 without needing a abstract driver system 00:45:47 you can have USER applications running in kernel space :P 00:45:49 heheheh 00:45:55 yes 00:46:03 1000 times faster =) 00:46:06 hehe 00:46:24 now THAT would have uses even for die hard linux ppl 00:46:43 so i take it you code forth yes ? 00:49:09 nope 00:49:11 asm mostly 00:49:18 I was looking at forth for logic ideas 00:49:24 still need to study it sometime 00:49:34 I hate programming asm in a C-like fashion 00:50:14 heeh 00:50:20 then dont code it like its c :P 00:50:21 i hate c 00:50:28 i feel most at home with asm 00:50:38 well, I mean 00:50:43 functional like 00:50:43 closly foloweed by forth :) 00:50:45 ey ai know 00:50:47 push x 00:50:49 push y 00:50:50 call z 00:50:54 add esp,8 00:50:59 byukk 00:51:01 hehe 00:51:12 hilarious how people don't realize what a dog C is 00:51:21 heh 00:51:44 push x, push y , call z, open local stack frame, do function, clean stack frame, return, relan parameters 00:51:47 for all functions 00:51:48 yea 00:51:51 real optimized 00:51:54 yep 00:52:11 u chedked out the sorces for isforth ? 00:53:01 nope 00:53:12 what was the page again 00:53:15 mozilla crashed 00:53:19 er, wait 00:53:25 isforth.sourceforge.net 00:53:43 yes 00:54:11 if you go from there to the "source" link 00:54:16 theres a link in there for the cvs 00:54:21 yeah 00:54:23 those pages are not finished yet heh 00:54:23 I'm there 00:54:33 hehe, I remember going here awhile back 00:54:39 but it wasn't on sourceforge then 00:54:46 part of what i want to do is FULLY doccument every single word in the dictionary 00:54:53 hehe 00:55:02 ive gotta go collect my dad... 00:55:09 be about an hour or 2 prolly 00:55:14 k 00:55:14 where u located ? 00:55:16 arizona 00:55:17 phoenix 00:55:18 cool 00:55:21 im in indiana 00:55:33 be regular here man 00:55:40 ur the kind of person i need on my team :) 00:55:56 hah 00:55:56 bbl :) 00:55:56 later =) 01:11:16 --- quit: ult (Leaving) 01:18:24 --- join: Fare (fare@ABoulogne-102-1-3-74.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined #forth 01:20:48 hey fare 01:23:17 hi, ree 01:23:25 are you a parent to Chuck? 01:23:38 a parent? 01:25:30 not sure what you mean 01:25:36 chuck moore? 01:25:41 ohh 01:25:41 now I get it 01:25:46 sorry, late at night for me 01:26:01 didn't get it even until I wrote chuck moore heh 01:26:07 nope, not I 01:26:13 but I like what he writes =) 01:28:37 :) 01:29:10 heh, I'm a friend of talia's (goshawk) 01:33:43 :) 01:34:31 do you like lisp or forth better? 01:34:48 or can't compare them? 01:34:59 forth too low-level 01:35:03 lisp not low-level enough 01:35:20 I like _being able_ not to be low-level, in lisp 01:35:28 I hate _not being able_ to be low-level 01:35:41 you don't have to be low level really in forth, it would seem 01:36:48 ever tried to do symbolic manipulation in FORTH ? 01:36:57 there is no GC in FORTH. 01:36:58 heh, haven't done anything in forth yet 01:37:16 Actually, my favorite language is HP's RPL (Reverse Polish Lisp) 01:37:32 I don't like hll 01:38:05 I'm studying forth so I can use some of its logic in asm perhaps 01:38:58 FORTH is a great lll 01:39:20 so it would seem 01:52:19 hmm 01:55:07 do you know HP48 calculators? 01:55:14 nope 01:55:19 didn't do much with calculators 01:57:03 apt-get install x48 :) 01:59:00 heh 02:16:50 --- quit: Fare (Ping timeout for Fare[ABoulogne-102-1-3-74.abo.wanadoo.fr]) 02:30:15 --- nick: AmNCamp -> AmNeSiA 02:52:47 * AmNeSiA has returned. (ooh, that was fun..., 20h 15m 48s) 02:52:47 * AmNeSiA is back from the dead. Gone 20 hrs 15 min 48 secs 02:55:08 hey amnesia 02:55:14 yo 02:56:06 boy it is getting cold 02:56:13 what type of work do you do amnesia? 02:56:36 well, i am serving the army at the moment 02:56:52 ahh 02:56:58 at night, i am the web technical lead for a npo (www.spug.org) 02:57:06 how about programming? 02:57:12 i also do network/system admin, and i am also a coder ;) 02:57:14 how abt u? 02:57:25 trying to start a organization 02:57:30 I don't work though 02:57:34 might need to soon heh 02:57:34 that is great, i have been trying to 02:57:46 but i gonna get charge like crazy if i do that 02:57:52 still live with mom 02:57:53 cool, what about? 02:57:59 it's about pda. 02:58:13 heh, I want to start another country 02:58:35 cool 02:58:38 do it in singapore ;) 02:59:00 hahah 02:59:05 :) 02:59:07 i am serious ;) 02:59:18 their government is damn strict 02:59:18 even my favourite perl author came down to singapore 02:59:29 and i help him out for a while ;) 02:59:56 I need a place free of intellectual property law 03:00:02 and free of any governing 03:00:15 well 03:00:18 dude 03:00:23 sometimes it's not about governing 03:00:29 I plan to follow the rules in america for as long as I have to make more money 03:00:34 then start a civilization 03:00:38 oh.... 03:00:45 ree please keep me inform with what u r doing ;) 03:00:49 i am interested ;) 03:00:52 hehe 03:01:02 do u use debian? 03:01:07 I just want to create a open/free country for anyone to live in 03:01:10 nope 03:01:15 well.... 03:01:15 freebsd and slackware 03:01:26 singapore is open too ;) 03:01:26 oh... 03:01:26 i used to be a bsd user... 03:01:39 not now, haven't got much time and boxes to play with 03:01:39 singapore doesn't even let you chew gum in elevators 03:01:39 so i stick with debian for the time being 03:01:44 well singapore doesn't allow u to have chewing gums 03:01:45 I don't really care for linux 03:01:48 ok dude 03:01:52 * AmNeSiA from singapore ;) 03:02:02 yeah, do you think that is a good law 03:02:09 yes i think it is good 03:02:15 in fact, i support for such implementations 03:02:26 heh, wow 03:02:26 :) 03:02:33 i feel really safe ;) 03:02:36 and clean too ;) 03:02:40 I think good and law are two words that don't belong together in the same sentence 03:03:16 hmmm 03:03:21 true 03:03:34 singaporeans are less incline to openup their minds and speak up 03:03:37 so what type of programming do you do 03:03:43 but that is ok, we do it online lol 03:03:55 well, used to do democoding, then now i do commercial work 03:03:58 not for long probably, a lot of those countries filter content 03:04:05 cool 03:04:12 I have a friend that does demos all the damn time 03:04:18 gets annoying hehe 03:04:24 "Hey Joe! Want to see my demo?" 03:04:24 lol 03:05:08 dude 03:05:12 spug.org is a cool domain 03:05:14 sometimes life is like that ;) 03:05:21 thanks dude. our revamp is even cooler 03:05:24 current site sucks ;) 03:05:33 because i take over to lead the team 03:05:36 hehe 03:05:54 * AmNeSiA pda fanatic 03:06:01 u can see the picture of my palm 03:06:06 eugeneteo.per.sg 03:06:26 I don't have a PDA 03:06:29 never got into them 03:06:36 not many people do 03:06:40 it's not very popular 03:06:48 but in singapore, i can feel it is picking up real fast 03:07:43 well 03:07:45 ;) 03:07:47 the color palm might help 03:07:55 ya... 03:08:00 but color palms ... has to wait ;) 03:08:10 i am expecting Vc to be spendid 03:08:13 but i not going to get that 03:08:42 I think we should drop the idea of the palm 03:08:46 and go with eyeglass stuff 03:08:51 heh 03:09:04 you can simulate a 50" tv using optic tricks 03:09:09 that is cool 03:09:14 but i suck at these =/ 03:09:22 trying to pick up... (trying .) 03:10:13 heh, I redesigned the dist site too 03:10:17 (organization) 03:10:22 really? that is cool 03:10:23 what is the url 03:10:35 want to exchange emails? 03:10:44 coz i gotta head to get a quick shower :) ... dinner time soon. 03:11:03 eugeneteo@eugeneteo.net 03:11:15 hehe, cool 03:11:19 sniffen@goodnet.com 03:11:21 www.dist.org 03:11:25 cool ;) 03:11:26 but I still have a lot of work to do on it 03:11:29 cu around dude 03:11:31 dun worrie ;) 03:11:31 I also own www.dist.net 03:11:37 that is cool! 03:11:37 later =) 03:11:41 later ;) 03:14:47 --- nick: AmNeSiA -> amnafk 03:14:50 * amnafk is away: (shower! ) [BX-MsgLog Off] 03:14:51 * amnafk is idle, shower! 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I have almost finished the rewriting of my Tcl-based Forth... it runs a demo, at least. And you? 18:45:12 I'm just starting a vacation hehe...I'm letting my brain go slumping for a whule hehe 18:45:28 er, while 18:47:00 me too, and I got a flu soon after finishing my last presentation at the university... I played with my Forth just to not let the days go compoletely wasted... 18:47:34 hehe...so I take it you're having a blast with it? 18:50:28 with the flu or with the forth? 18:51:59 your forth....flu isn't fun...I got laid by a nasty one for a week 18:53:29 yes, it's going fine and it's almost at the point where other people can understand its code :). Btw, I started to play with Lua and I'm thinking very seriously in making it be based on Lua instead of on Forth 18:54:18 what "it" are you talking about? 18:54:54 my Forth (let's call it "Crumble") 18:56:15 I see....so you plan to code up Crumble/Lua instead of Crumble/Forth, right? 18:56:49 yes, and to translate the preprocessor that generates the engine in C to Lua 18:57:14 mmhmm.... 18:58:09 Crumble is already able to call C functions, so it should be easy to add Forth words to let it invoke Lua and Tcl 18:58:17 --- quit: mark4__ (Ping timeout for mark4__[purplecoder.com]) 18:59:02 What OS/Distro do you use?... sorry, I have a very weak memory... 18:59:22 so with a bit of runtime support it should be possible to implement an interactive Tk dev. console 18:59:32 Debian Linux 18:59:42 yes (good idea, btw!) 19:00:13 and to let it receive lines to interpret from a socket 19:00:33 and to make an editor send lines of code to it interactively 19:00:48 networked tk environment? kewl 19:01:16 yes, so that you don't need to implement an editor in it... 19:01:54 interesting 19:02:35 are you a Debian developer (or are you becoming one)? 19:02:54 no....don't have time 19:04:02 you? 19:04:07 I can't decide if I want to be a Debian dev or not... time problems, among other things 19:04:17 but I have some packages 19:05:40 mktclapp (a tool for writing Tcl extensions in C), Lua, and another one with my page and most files from my home 19:06:40 hmm..... 19:08:28 and I would like to turn a directory of my page into an apt repository, so I was hoping to able to ask some questions to you... :) 19:10:07 I suggest you ask that in #debian...someone would explain how 19:10:29 I haven't had experience with Debianizing stuff 19:12:24 I have written down all the steps I took; see the first links in http://angg.twu.net/debian.html if you have some interest... 19:13:32 TheBlueWizard: #debian is too crowded and I always have the impression that my questions are either too dumb or too technical for the people who hang there (or that I'm just using the wrong tone). 19:13:33 hmm....so you do have some experience hehe 19:14:12 some are friendly, some are bullheaded, some are snobby, ....well, you get the idea 19:14:41 yeah 19:25:04 bye TheBlueWizard. See you later... 19:25:09 --- part: edrx left #forth 19:26:58 bye 19:32:46 --- join: ult (ult@1Cust110.tnt2.nashville.tn.da.uu.net) joined #forth 19:32:56 hiya ult 19:32:59 --- mode: TheBlueWizard set mode: +o ult 19:32:59 hi 19:51:17 --- join: tcn (Tom@207.198.30.17) joined #forth 19:51:17 --- mode: ChanServ set mode: +o tcn 19:53:13 hiya tcn 19:53:21 hey 19:56:59 are you the one who's doing stuff w/ MS windows? 19:58:01 what do you mean by that? 19:58:46 someone on here was actually writing stuff for it 19:59:18 it would be nice to have a decent forth for that platform 20:00:08 can't be too far removed from Unix, at least in win32 console mode 20:03:17 ah....the only "development" that I do for Windows is all Python-based, with an eye towards moving everything over to Linux eventually. There is a Forth for Windows called...um, I forgot exactly how it is called hehe 20:03:38 heh 20:04:01 all the ones i've seen suck or have no source (Aztec) 20:04:11 afaik 20:04:34 speaking of aztec forth, the author has a web page again.. i'll ask him about source... 20:05:00 * TheBlueWizard nods...he never have heard of aztec forth 20:06:34 it's all asm, in blocks, small yet nice, has some nifty features like DLL importing 20:07:17 btw, a lot of folks here want DLL importing in a Unix forth 20:09:32 Linux has something similar...it is called shared library...and there are standard kernel calls for that 20:11:33 sl/dll, same thing 20:12:10 hehe 20:12:43 not too hard to implement...though I suspect you will have to add in mem mgmt....not exciting.... 20:14:53 that's just another syscall 20:15:13 alloc/free 20:16:15 yes....but I mean you prolly will have to manage the references, and that means managing memory....traditional Forth doesn't like that 20:16:30 heh.. i'd like to see how aztec does it 20:17:00 :) 20:24:27 --- quit: TheBlueWizard (Ping timeout for TheBlueWizard[ppp-199.u1-h2.dca.fcc.net]) 20:28:35 --- join: TheBlueWizard (TheBlueWiz@ppp-199.u1-h2.dca.fcc.net) joined #forth 20:28:36 --- mode: ChanServ set mode: +o TheBlueWizard 20:31:36 wb 20:32:08 :) 20:32:17 the IRC server shut me off 20:33:06 haha 20:33:22 hey.. i had 3 windows open 20:33:27 where'd they go? 20:34:05 I had several....and the server decided mine no longer respond to pings so it killed me off :-] 20:35:50 maybe I hit alt-f4 instead of f6 20:36:37 ooh....I just discover a culprit....you! LOL 20:37:16 ME? 20:37:27 OUI! ;) 20:37:55 well, I need to go to bed....take care! 20:37:59 i didn't know ops could call someone timed out :) 20:38:09 ok, see ya.. merry xmas.. 20:38:34 u 2 20:38:37 --- part: TheBlueWizard left #forth 20:38:43 --- quit: tcn (ircII EPIC4-2000 -- Accept no limitations) 22:36:08 --- join: I440r (mark4@purplecoder.com) joined #forth 22:54:05 --- join: edrx (edrx@200.240.18.66) joined #forth 23:50:02 --- quit: clog (Ping timeout) 23:50:02 --- log: stopped forth/00.12.22 23:54:38 --- log: started forth/00.12.22 23:54:38 --- join: clog (nef@bespin.org) joined #forth 23:54:38 --- names: list (clog @NaN @ult I440r edrx) 23:54:38 --- names: EOL 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/00.12.22