00:00:03 --- log: started forth/00.12.18 00:00:03 i was going to guess that... 00:00:15 We haven't been on speaking terms for the last couple of years, so she never told me 00:00:50 My sister called, against mom's instructions, to tell me. 00:00:55 :( 00:00:57 blah 00:01:20 o my gosh 00:01:27 thats interesting 00:01:35 how so? 00:01:45 i couldn't find a better word 00:01:56 i use interesting for just about anything and everything 00:02:01 haha! 00:02:15 its basically a meaningless word mostly 00:02:45 "shocking" or "surprising" might be a better word, from your perspective. 00:02:47 well, not really i'm not on good terms with my mom, and i'm not sure how i would respond if she was going to die 00:03:01 i don't think i would be shocked 00:03:06 I'm not sure, either, actually 00:03:17 and for that i am apauled by myself 00:03:28 wierd huh? 00:03:33 in my thoughts, she is "the crazy bitch from hell" 00:03:52 but a dying person deserves some respect, regardless of how their life worked out. 00:04:36 no, it's ok to not be surprised by a death, it's something everyone does it. Sometimes there's warning, sometimes not. 00:05:27 find it hard to focus on tonight's coding project, though 00:13:41 --- quit: ult_ (Ping timeout for ult_[ip27.nashville17.tn.pub-ip.psi.net]) 00:14:48 ya i understand 00:19:49 i'm very sorry to hear that, still 00:20:44 thanks, so am I. I had hoped that this situation would be resoved before one of us checked out (although I had/have no idea how to resole it) 00:21:10 it's always hard for the survivor if there is animosity. 00:21:53 why don't you try and resolve? do you not want your mom to think badly of your sis? 00:22:15 no, not at all 00:22:41 she is unconcious, and not expected to wake up, and she's 400 miles away through blowing snow 00:23:22 she would very likely be dead by the time I got there, and unable to take phone calls right now. 00:24:00 maybe my sis will call from the hosp if mom ever becomes coherent (lots of Morphine) 00:25:23 thanks, though, for reminding me to sleep by the phone 00:27:04 ya good idea 00:27:17 hope all goes.... 00:27:55 fair enough ... and don't worry, I'm not going to snap at you @:^> 00:28:30 ok 00:30:36 hi MrReach 00:30:41 thank you for that boot floppy 00:30:47 you messed up the bios file 00:30:54 but i corrected it with linux's loopback fs 00:31:09 ok, good deal 00:31:17 excellent idea, I didn't think of it 00:31:26 erm ... 00:31:40 excellent idea, I wish I had thought of it 00:31:56 well 00:32:07 you can't easilly write a bootblock through the loopback fs 00:32:14 but you can manage files 00:32:22 hmm 00:32:24 so thanks for the boot block - it's what i needed 00:32:30 also i didn't have a COMMAND.COM handy 00:32:38 the bios upgrade worked and made my new drive work 00:32:44 hadn't thought of that, eithr 00:32:47 /dev/hdc1 80038432 6043752 73994680 8% /archive 00:33:03 aaronl_: your quite resourceful 00:33:23 why would you haveto use loopback to get to the floopy? 00:33:37 it was an image 00:33:54 o 00:34:03 I guess the image was easier than mounting 00:34:05 so you had to upload it? 00:34:37 yes, I built the image, but apparently the floppy had a bad sector, I had no way of easily checking it 00:34:42 yeah 00:34:49 the bios file lost a few k 00:34:55 fortunately the application complained 00:35:00 i replaced it with a good copy 00:35:04 and remade the floppy 00:35:37 what are you booting? 00:35:46 dos 00:35:49 oic 00:37:18 --- quit: I440r (Reality Strikes Again) 00:37:21 are x86 machines easier to learn how to boot? 00:39:08 about the same, turn on the switch, maybe enter login and password 00:39:55 no i mean learning how the boot process works in the intent of writing your own OS 00:39:55 his situation is unique because the AMI BIOS upgrade prog only runs on DOS, which he apperently didn't have around. 00:40:23 oh, have no idea, never worked with Mac or Amiga 00:40:44 mac and amiga arent the only other computers around 00:41:13 that's true 00:41:24 i want to get a mips 00:41:43 MrReach: its actually an Award BIOS 00:41:56 oh 00:42:01 award? what awards has it gotten? 00:42:06 Why using the AMI bios upgrade tool? 00:43:08 MrReach: It was an award too. AFAIK. What made you think it was AMI? 00:43:23 the filename, I may misremember 00:44:09 but thanks 00:44:15 i got it working great 00:44:23 and it solved my problem 00:44:24 that's good to hear 00:50:42 i don't think theres such a thing as BIOS on macs 00:50:51 i think ROM is the closest 00:50:59 heh, yes 00:51:08 is that basically the same 00:51:09 ? 00:51:20 I would say "exactly" 00:51:23 oic 00:52:01 --- join: I440r (mark4@purplecoder.com) joined #forth 00:52:01 --- mode: ChanServ set mode: +o I440r 00:52:05 the BIOS in many systems provides drivers for basic hardware, which can be replaced by a disk file 00:52:21 --- mode: I440r set mode: +o MrReach 00:52:27 the BIOS is always responsible for loading a boot program from disk 00:52:35 cool 00:52:54 but the bios can also look for another FILE-bios, right? 00:53:07 copying my shared directories that are on my server accross to my second machines empty 30 gig drive so i can then repartition 00:53:10 i should look at my rom-file sometime 00:53:17 had to reboot to windows :P 00:53:19 correct, "drivers" in the M$ world 00:53:28 "modules" in the Linux world 00:53:52 I440r: why are you opping peopl? 00:54:06 because i always do :) 00:54:12 o ok 00:54:19 because we're too lazy to opp ourselves 00:54:27 yea that could be it hehe 00:55:21 i'm trd 00:55:28 tierd rather 00:55:33 tired 00:55:37 blah 00:56:55 me 2 :) 00:57:28 heh 00:57:42 but werse 00:57:44 im cold :P 00:57:58 heh, so am I actually, wich surprises me 00:58:07 damned thermestat is on the wall outside the bathroom and the bathroom always gets hot when heat turns on 00:58:09 this house has always been quite comfortable 00:58:13 so the wall is always hot 00:58:24 haha! Found the problem finally? 00:58:26 so the fscking thing aint heating anywhere except the bathroom 00:58:28 yea 00:58:31 figured it out 00:58:36 bathroom wall is always warm 00:58:49 idiots who built house had head up butt 00:58:51 haha that doesn't to a very good job then.... 00:59:34 not realy 01:00:20 windows is so fucking stupid 01:00:26 yeah 01:00:32 I440r: I booted dos recently 01:00:34 it was cool 01:00:40 i like dos 01:00:40 mrreach made the image for me 01:00:49 cool :) 01:00:53 needed it to upgrade my bios 01:00:58 hehe 01:01:07 * MrReach hands the contractor some Kleenex to wipe the shit out of his nose. 01:01:17 hahaha 01:02:58 contractor ? 01:03:15 idiots who built house had head up butt 01:03:21 oh 01:03:22 hehe 01:03:23 yea 01:04:04 --- topic: set to 'i'll be boin' by adu 01:04:10 --- topic: set to 'i'll be boing now' by adu 01:04:15 sorry 01:04:21 wrong field 01:04:26 :) 01:04:38 --- topic: set to 'do drop >in' by I440r 01:04:39 s/boing/going 01:04:44 :) 01:04:48 take care, adu 01:04:53 i'll be on vacation for about 3 weeks 01:04:56 nite nite 01:05:08 leaving TOMORROW! yikes 01:05:12 i'm so anxious 01:05:19 but i'l do fine 01:05:22 cool 01:05:28 have a great holidays 01:05:38 --- part: adu left #forth 01:06:14 heh 01:20:23 --- join: edrx (edrx@200.240.18.86) joined #forth 01:22:14 --- quit: edrx ([x]chat) 02:09:31 --- quit: MrReach () 02:23:17 --- quit: I440r (Reality Strikes Again!) 03:06:39 --- quit: Fare (Ping timeout for Fare[ppp54-net1-idf2-bas1.isdnet.net]) 03:15:42 --- join: I440r (mark4@purplecoder.com) joined #forth 05:16:42 --- join: Fare (fare@ppp25-net1-idf2-bas1.isdnet.net) joined #forth 05:41:04 --- join: kev (amx@t1o316p14.teliauk.com) joined #forth 09:52:52 --- join: Johan4Jesus (jrus@cisap5-d-169.pop.co.za) joined #forth 09:53:06 hi all 09:54:03 hi man 09:54:06 brb 09:54:07 coffee 09:54:22 waiting 4 u 09:59:51 back 10:02:08 how are you 10:03:34 --- join: jrus (jrus@cisap5-d-169.pop.co.za) joined #forth 10:03:56 mark i have a question for you 10:06:02 --- quit: Johan4Jesus (i am tired of talking to you people or perhaps my system crashed who knows) 10:06:26 im great 10:06:32 but cold :P 10:06:37 ask 10:07:03 how do i compile your code 10:07:08 in linux 10:07:12 you need the right version of nasm 10:07:14 hang on 10:07:17 ill get u a url 10:11:09 http://home.snafu.de/phpr/e-lhputils.html 10:11:15 go there and get that version of nasm 10:11:25 i found some very serious problems with nasm 10:11:27 for instance 10:11:34 %define x 1 10:11:39 %define y 2 10:11:43 erm 10:11:47 make taht %define y x 10:11:51 %define x 3 10:12:18 both x and y are now 3 because when i defined y i defined it as a pointer to x, not as the same value as x is 10:12:20 it sux 10:13:11 yes 10:13:38 my macros REQUIRE the ability to save away the value in a %define to a temp store 10:13:43 and to restore it later 10:14:07 nasm wont allow taht but THIS version of it will 10:14:30 okay which version on the page should i get? 10:16:46 the one it wants me to download in a debian package 10:16:54 hang on hehe 10:16:57 im looking 10:17:01 098e is hte one i have 10:17:28 ok 10:17:42 you see where it list nasm 098.orig.tar.gz 10:17:50 rite above that is a link to... 10:18:19 nodified version ..... is available at """"nasm 098 e LINK HERE""""" 10:18:22 get that 10:18:46 almost 10:19:34 ok i am going to that ftp site 10:21:20 cool 10:21:53 i am downloading nasm-98e-bin-linux.zip 10:22:01 thats should work right 10:22:17 yes 10:22:18 it will 10:22:42 ok i am also playing with viavoice from ibm 10:22:51 but r not going anywhere was 10:23:24 was=fast 10:25:05 hehe 10:25:08 mark r u busy? 10:25:12 not realy 10:25:23 but i SHOULD be 10:25:25 heh 10:25:37 ive got stuff to do but i can spare some time 10:25:38 no prob 10:26:13 okay i will wait for a time when u r not busy 10:26:29 was just wondering how to help with isforth 10:30:17 mark r u here? 10:30:46 yes 10:30:52 well 10:31:05 i need to pick it back up, plan on that happening real soon 10:31:18 need to figure what needs writing and assign tasks to different ppl... 10:31:28 add them as developers of the project in sourceforge 10:31:45 not gona try do that rite now tho because sf is in a big snafu rite now 10:31:55 snafu = situation normal, all fucked up 10:40:36 --- part: jrus left #forth 11:18:36 --- join: ult_ (ult@ip141.nashville17.tn.pub-ip.psi.net) joined #forth 13:16:19 --- quit: ult_ (Leaving) 13:55:02 --- join: Speuler (l@c38038.upc-c.chello.nl) joined #forth 15:42:11 --- quit: I440r (Ping timeout for I440r[purplecoder.com]) 15:45:46 --- join: mark4 (mark4@purplecoder.com) joined #forth 15:47:05 --- nick: mark4 -> I440r 16:18:21 --- quit: I440r (Read error to I440r[purplecoder.com]: EOF from client) 16:18:35 --- join: I440r (mark4@purplecoder.com) joined #forth 16:18:35 --- quit: I440r (Read error to I440r[purplecoder.com]: EOF from client) 16:18:45 --- join: I440r (mark4@purplecoder.com) joined #forth 16:31:18 --- quit: Speuler (tolkien.openprojects.net brin.openprojects.net) 16:41:40 --- join: Speuler (l@c38038.upc-c.chello.nl) joined #forth 16:50:00 --- quit: aaronl_ (Ping timeout for aaronl_[vitelus.com]) 17:03:19 --- join: edrx (edrx@copacabana-ttyS18.inx.com.br) joined #forth 17:15:44 --- part: edrx left #forth 18:00:16 --- join: TheBlueWizard (TheBlueWiz@216.25.203.207) joined #forth 18:00:16 --- mode: ChanServ set mode: +o TheBlueWizard 18:00:20 hiya all 18:00:34 --- mode: TheBlueWizard set mode: +ooo Fare I440r kev 18:00:38 --- mode: TheBlueWizard set mode: +o Speuler 18:00:42 :) 18:02:25 tnx wiz 18:02:31 hi too 18:03:05 hiya Speuler :) 18:06:17 the HOWTO i'm just reading states: This next step needs to be done from the console with-out X running. 18:06:32 that means, i'm gone ... 18:06:40 soory 18:06:52 (multihead X) 18:07:02 lol 18:07:11 cu l8er 18:07:13 * TheBlueWizard is multi-reading too 18:07:15 k 18:07:27 --- quit: Speuler (using sirc version 2.211+4KSIRC/1.0) 18:28:29 --- topic: set to 'do drop >in here' by TheBlueWizard 19:43:18 got to go...bye 19:43:20 --- part: TheBlueWizard left #forth 21:05:29 --- quit: I440r (Ping timeout for I440r[purplecoder.com]) 21:23:33 --- join: ult_ (ult@ip66.nashville17.tn.pub-ip.psi.net) joined #forth 21:35:45 --- join: Speuler (l@c38038.upc-c.chello.nl) joined #forth 22:34:46 --- join: mark4 (mark4@purplecoder.com) joined #forth 22:38:07 --- quit: mark4 (Ping timeout for mark4[purplecoder.com]) 22:40:06 --- join: mark4 (mark4@purplecoder.com) joined #forth 22:40:47 "compiling X .. this will take a while" :) 22:41:07 im having system problems 22:41:11 things are falling apart 22:41:15 cant get a fucking thing to work 22:41:16 sheet 22:41:28 my server fell off the net for like 20 minutes 22:41:29 try ms-dos 22:41:32 coudnt fucking get back online 22:41:34 :) 22:42:01 can you get to www.purplecoder.com ? 22:42:02 i cant 22:42:04 in this turbo age, 20 min is like 3 months 22:42:23 i can ping you 22:42:37 i mean 22:42:41 can you VIEW the web page ? 22:42:55 requested url not found says lynx 22:43:09 thats what i get 22:43:15 which is a crock of shit :( 22:43:19 i try telnet to port 80 now 22:43:29 nothing 22:43:34 apache problems ? 22:43:37 erm 22:43:37 no 22:43:40 its NOT 22:43:49 /var/www is not mounted 22:43:52 fuck 22:44:02 automounter ? 22:45:07 /dev/hdb3 always mounted on /var/www before 22:45:11 i hand mounted it 22:45:17 and it works 22:45:21 * mark4 checks fstab 22:45:25 has my password changed on purplecoder.com ? 22:45:51 /dev/hdb3 /var/www ext2 defaults 0 2 22:45:53 nope 22:46:02 THAT should have mounted 22:46:02 grrr 22:46:33 other user name it was .... nice penguin btw 22:47:17 penguin ? 22:47:19 hdb3 is not mounted ... 22:47:29 black-white non-flying bird 22:47:38 logo of linux ... 22:47:43 oh 22:47:46 linuxlogo hehe 22:47:52 it is now 22:49:22 Test running......... 22:49:22 ** Speed 352(down)/99(up) kbps ** 22:49:22 (At least 7 times faster than a 56k modem) 22:49:26 fuck 22:51:58 agree. should have been mounted. 22:52:23 hi there mark # 4 22:52:27 i am marc # 1 22:52:49 mark 22:52:53 meaning 22:52:55 marc 22:52:55 OF MARS 22:52:56 or 22:52:59 WARLIKE 22:53:04 or... in norwegan 22:53:08 FIELD OF WORMS 22:53:10 heh 22:53:16 --- nick: mark4 -> I440r 22:53:17 marc beeyatch 22:53:18 I am marc 22:53:21 you are nothing 22:53:25 marc is the one true spelling 22:53:33 you are full of nothingness 22:53:39 ha! ha! 22:53:44 do >drop in 22:53:45 so funny 22:53:46 wow 22:53:47 hilarious 22:53:50 i am amazed 22:53:51 fuck it 22:56:23 --- quit: I440r (Ping timeout for I440r[purplecoder.com]) 22:56:25 heh 22:56:29 all alone.. 22:56:32 down 22:56:37 or not?? 22:56:38 oops :) 22:57:00 --- join: I440r (mark4@purplecoder.com) joined #forth 22:57:27 fucking isp is OBVIOUSLY having problems 22:57:49 lynx get through this time 22:57:53 Q: What do you get when you cross a pit bull with a prostitute? 22:57:53 A: Your last blowjob. 22:57:57 yea it syd 22:57:59 i440r: ouch 22:58:01 i440r; Who are you using? 22:58:09 netlink 22:58:23 gte supplies the dsl line 22:58:24 (but could be locally cached copy of u'r page in my squid 22:58:26 netlink the isp 22:58:26 ) 22:58:35 not its working now 22:58:43 it was hdb3 wasnt auto mounted for some reason 23:01:06 I440r: looks like you don't use automounter. but should have been mounted at boot time. 23:01:18 i dont use automounter at all 23:01:26 nut fstab should have mounted it 23:01:34 xactly 23:01:43 i dont trust auto mounter 23:02:04 you trust fstab ? 23:02:13 more than auto mount 23:02:36 so here you are 23:02:47 do a uname -r 23:03:59 amd i never could get working, but the kernel bases automounter i got running easily 23:04:02 on 2.2.14 23:04:07 too 23:04:10 needs updateing 23:04:21 2.2.18 or 17 23:04:30 * Speuler has done so some days ago 23:04:33 Linux has such shitty kernel 23:04:35 2.2.16 now 23:04:42 18 is the latest 23:04:48 i440r hmm 23:04:58 unless you count the 2.4 series 23:05:00 which i dont 23:05:01 i440r I wish programmers would think out their code. 23:05:08 which code 23:05:17 open source code 23:05:19 ESR is such a fucking moron 23:05:24 esr ? 23:05:26 forget "release early/release often" 23:05:29 2.2.18 on notebook (i'm typing at that one right now) 23:05:33 the guy all the little gnubies worship 23:05:47 hehe 23:05:48 who 23:05:58 I wish I had a notebook 23:06:00 I wish I had a job 23:06:02 I wish I had some cash 23:06:04 hmm. 23:06:08 ult i got all of the above 23:06:09 hehe 23:06:19 i wish i had a gf :P 23:06:26 usually chicken and egg problems feature only two items 23:07:14 me too 23:07:21 there is a candidate i would very much like in the position 23:07:35 but she is 3 hours away, I am carless, and I am scared I am going to lose her :( 23:07:45 duh 23:07:47 dood 23:07:50 move nearere to her 23:07:59 you dont got a job so whats the prob 23:08:01 well 23:08:05 we are both college students 23:08:15 we go to same college so we spend time together there...but winter break 23:08:38 Well, what I will probably do is find some restaurant between us, and ask her to meet me, take her out to lunch. 23:08:42 (or dinner...) 23:08:51 or both :) 23:08:54 Or both. 23:09:00 But I am a shitty driver. Seriously. :) 23:09:05 There is a reason I don't own a car. 23:09:20 ult i recon i could teach you to drive better 23:09:27 I440r: The problem is that I have no depth perception. 23:09:36 So things get very interesting 23:09:54 oh 23:09:56 how come ? 23:10:01 one eye blind ? 23:10:05 no 23:10:08 i don't know why 23:10:10 nerve problem I guess 23:10:15 I have gotten very good at faking it 23:10:20 aha 23:10:20 technically I should not have my license because of it 23:10:32 But because of my nerve problem, I can conciously control my eyes semi-independantly 23:10:43 And that lets me fake it far enough to get past any test. (I know what to look for) 23:10:59 heh 23:11:26 But I hate parking. I am always scared I am going to hit the people I am parking next to. 23:11:39 I can't tell how far I am from the other cars in the lot...at least on roads I have nice lines to follow! 23:11:39 but to get back to the original statement. coders dont WANT to think about their code 23:11:41