00:00:00 --- log: started forth/00.12.15 00:20:00 --- quit: MrReach () 00:31:23 * aaronl is away: brb... i'm going to kill this client since i dont want it to overwrite something 00:31:27 --- quit: aaronl (Read error to aaronl[vitelus.com]: EOF from client) 00:31:40 --- join: aaronl (aaronl@vitelus.com) joined #forth 00:32:07 * aaronl is away: homework 00:36:45 --- join: Rhamphoryncus (rhamph@h24-68-139-3.ed.shawcable.net) joined #forth 00:37:01 * Rhamphoryncus shakes his head 00:37:10 --- part: aaronl left #forth 00:37:10 --- join: aaronl (aaronl@vitelus.com) joined #forth 00:37:24 --- part: Rhamphoryncus left #forth 01:18:49 --- join: MrReach (mrreach@209.181.43.190) joined #forth 01:37:56 * aaronl is back (gone 01:05:49) 01:37:58 * aaronl is away: I'm busy 01:38:09 oh? oh? 01:38:21 hhe 01:38:26 --- mode: I440r set mode: +o MrReach 01:38:28 --- mode: I440r set mode: +o aaronl 01:38:32 danke 01:38:36 :) 01:38:54 got a new contrat today 01:39:01 $40 an hour working from home 01:39:07 cool! whatcha doin'? 01:39:31 well the code is all done, im gona be doccumenting it :P 01:39:39 its a black box for trains 01:39:49 heh, challenging 01:39:52 yea 01:39:54 hehe 01:39:57 8051 01:40:00 100% pure asm 01:40:01 :P 01:43:47 ugh its 4:30!!! 01:43:47 how the heck can it be 4:30 02:00:55 --- quit: MrReach () 06:44:00 --- quit: clog (^C) 06:44:01 --- log: stopped forth/00.12.15 06:47:43 --- log: started forth/00.12.15 06:47:43 --- join: clog (nef@bespin.org) joined #forth 06:47:43 --- topic: 'do drop >in - foot in yourself shoot' 06:47:43 --- topic: set by I440r on [Wed Dec 13 19:49:17 2000] 06:47:43 --- names: list (clog FareAway ult keveeeeee @aaronl @I440r) 06:47:43 --- names: EOL 06:53:45 --- join: Speuler (l@c38038.upc-c.chello.nl) joined #forth 07:37:14 --- quit: Speuler (using sirc version 2.211+4KSIRC/1.0) 09:07:19 --- quit: ult (Leaving) 09:22:10 --- quit: aaronl (Read error to aaronl[vitelus.com]: EOF from client) 09:22:13 --- join: aaronl (aaronl@vitelus.com) joined #forth 11:01:50 --- join: Speuler (l@c38038.upc-c.chello.nl) joined #forth 11:02:12 greetz 11:04:51 hi brb 11:04:53 fone 11:05:00 --- mode: I440r set mode: +o Speuler 11:05:05 --- mode: I440r set mode: +o aaronl 11:05:10 --- mode: I440r set mode: +o clog 11:05:15 --- mode: I440r set mode: +o FareAway 11:05:20 --- mode: I440r set mode: +o keveeeeee 11:07:51 my damnned isp had me set up for bronze plus level dsl and i had paid for a whole year of silver in advance 11:08:06 grrr 11:08:07 hehe 11:10:04 my isp raises the monthly fee. from 89, to 89.95 . bastards 11:11:26 [TW] Due to some networkproblems the irc-server will be rebooted NOW. (auto-msg: DO NOT REPLY) 11:11:39 You're not connected to a server 11:12:35 clarke.openprojects.net seems to be down too 11:12:42 duh 11:13:10 and a number of sites were reporting DoS attacks 11:13:13 i think they got it wrong still 11:13:13 heavy 11:13:26 they say they fixed my connection but im not getting the same up and down 11:13:34 i first thought they have banned me again 11:13:41 Test running.......... 11:13:41 ** Speed 259(down)/62(up) kbps ** 11:13:41 (At least 5 times faster than a 56k modem) 11:13:55 i should be 384/384 11:13:56 that's poor 11:14:26 when i installed debian, through net, i got 1 mbit/s :) 11:14:52 base installation: 3 minutes 11:14:53 bastard :) 11:15:17 wasn't 8 o'clock p.m. when i did that... 11:15:43 but i'm uplink-capped 11:15:51 256 kbit/s 11:16:05 bah 11:16:10 brb 11:16:57 but, with 24h/day, speed isn't so important 11:18:22 2 weeks ago, i've put squid in my gateway, which indeed saves a lot. 11:18:51 s/in/on/ 11:19:48 could you imagine any reason why someone would laugh at me, seeing that i'm op on #coders ? 11:20:43 * Speuler drives his neighbours mad with fred frith 11:28:16 * Speuler now tries john zorn on them 11:41:26 :) 11:41:36 squid ? 11:41:45 proxy 11:41:49 aha 11:42:08 my bitrates are actually getting lower and lower :P 11:42:15 niet iedereen is'r even blij ermee maar hij werkt wel 11:42:23 Test running........ 11:42:23 ** Speed 52(down)/230(up) kbps ** 11:42:23 About modem speed! 11:42:38 weird eh? 11:42:57 take an analog modem for speed 11:43:32 --- quit: I440r (Reality Strikes Again) 12:18:59 --- quit: Speuler (brin.openprojects.net) 12:25:07 --- join: Speuler (l@c38038.upc-c.chello.nl) joined #forth 12:25:47 --- join: I440r (mark4@purplecoder.com) joined #forth 12:25:47 --- mode: ChanServ set mode: +o I440r 12:26:00 --- mode: I440r set mode: +o Speuler 12:29:14 irc.purp.com is down ? 12:29:48 no 12:29:53 it was tho 12:30:03 powered down so gte could do some tests on my line 13:01:20 --- quit: keveeeeee (Read error to keveeeeee[t1o315p177.teliauk.com]: Connection reset by peer) 13:11:28 --- join: kev (amx@t1o315p169.teliauk.com) joined #forth 13:13:38 hi kev 13:13:41 --- mode: I440r set mode: +o kev 13:17:37 --- quit: FareAway (varley.openprojects.net barnes.openprojects.net) 13:17:37 --- quit: I440r (varley.openprojects.net barnes.openprojects.net) 13:17:37 --- quit: kev (varley.openprojects.net barnes.openprojects.net) 13:17:38 --- quit: Speuler (varley.openprojects.net barnes.openprojects.net) 13:17:38 --- quit: aaronl (varley.openprojects.net barnes.openprojects.net) 13:18:13 --- join: kev (amx@t1o315p169.teliauk.com) joined #forth 13:18:13 --- join: Speuler (l@c38038.upc-c.chello.nl) joined #forth 13:18:13 --- join: aaronl (aaronl@vitelus.com) joined #forth 13:18:13 --- join: I440r (mark4@purplecoder.com) joined #forth 13:18:13 --- join: FareAway (fare@ppp47-net1-idf2-bas1.isdnet.net) joined #forth 13:18:13 --- mode: sagan.openprojects.net set mode: +ooooo kev Speuler aaronl I440r FareAway 13:38:26 --- topic: set to 'http://isforth.sourceforge.net -- http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/isforth/?cvsroot=isforth' by ChanServ 13:38:54 --- mode: ChanServ set mode: -o aaronl 13:38:54 --- mode: ChanServ set mode: -o Speuler 13:38:54 --- mode: ChanServ set mode: -o kev 13:38:54 --- mode: ChanServ set mode: -o I440r 13:38:54 --- mode: ChanServ set mode: -o FareAway 13:38:54 --- mode: ChanServ set mode: -o clog 13:39:05 --- nick: FareAway -> Fare 14:09:26 --- quit: I440r (Ping timeout for I440r[purplecoder.com]) 14:43:14 --- join: I440r (mark4@purplecoder.com) joined #forth 18:08:16 --- join: MrReach (mrreach@209.181.43.190) joined #forth 18:11:09 HAHAHA! I440r: did you see Elizabeth Rather's comments about ANS on usenet? 18:11:31 It looks like she agrees w/ you, at least in part. I quote ... 18:12:00 "The existing 18:12:00 language, with its "waffle words," was arrived at as a specific 18:12:00 compromise to allow this behavior without requiring it. 18:12:10 [end quote] 18:13:02 --- join: TheBlueWizard (TheBlueWiz@216.25.203.147) joined #forth 18:13:02 --- mode: ChanServ set mode: +o TheBlueWizard 18:13:05 hiya all 18:13:15 hihi 18:13:37 hiya MrReach :) 18:13:55 --- mode: TheBlueWizard set mode: +ooo MrReach aaronl clog 18:14:05 --- mode: TheBlueWizard set mode: +ooo Fare I440r kev 18:14:11 --- mode: TheBlueWizard set mode: +o Speuler 18:14:24 done my duty hehe 18:16:59 --- nick: Fare -> FareAway 18:17:41 --- quit: TheBlueWizard (Ping timeout for TheBlueWizard[216.25.203.147]) 18:21:09 --- join: TheBlueWizard (TheBlueWiz@ppp-195.u1-h2.dca.fcc.net) joined #forth 18:21:09 --- mode: ChanServ set mode: +o TheBlueWizard 18:21:46 grr... 18:21:53 got bombed out hehe 18:35:18 hi ppl 18:35:22 just got back from wing chun 18:35:27 gona go out and eat 18:35:34 not eaten properly all week :P 18:36:29 hiya I440r again 18:36:41 * TheBlueWizard chuckles 18:36:54 hi man 18:36:56 well, start eating some salad...it can't go wrong, eh? 18:37:01 #forth is getting quite popular 18:37:06 nice place to idle heh 18:37:08 erm 18:37:10 i dont like salad 18:37:15 never have :P 18:37:21 8 ppl here...I guess it is somewhat popular hehe 18:37:31 you never eat salad?! 18:37:35 7 ppl and one channel logger bot :P 18:37:43 never 18:37:48 puuh puuh 18:38:03 * TheBlueWizard is astounded 18:38:15 so what do you normally eat then? 18:39:05 hmmm 18:39:19 well im about to go to the outback steakhouse and get a rack of lamb :) 18:39:23 spicey man 18:39:27 i like pasta 18:39:34 some veggies but not salad stuff 18:39:45 i like most meats 18:39:49 beeph!!!!!!!!!!!! 18:40:01 so you're mostly a carnivore type, eh? 18:40:18 * TheBlueWizard chuckles...he likes meat too 18:40:35 chomp! 18:40:44 bbl im starved :) 18:40:50 and friday is ALWAYS busy there hehe 18:41:02 like a flesh-eating dinosaur (T. Rex, maybe? :) 18:41:06 k 19:06:16 --- join: edrx (edrx@200.240.18.91) joined #forth 19:06:36 hiya edrx 19:06:40 --- mode: TheBlueWizard set mode: +o edrx 19:06:45 hi Blue 19:08:51 any news? 19:09:10 not much from me....you? 19:09:30 and oh yes Bush won, so I'm sure I440r would be ecsastic :) 19:10:26 I advanced a lot with my Tcl-based forth, there's chance I'll have it running today 19:10:46 it's a full rewrite, the other versions worked but were too ugly 19:11:15 and I dowloaded and debianized a language that seems very interesting, called Lua 19:11:51 hmm.... 19:11:59 but I learned to make astrological charts... :-) lots os news 19:12:05 s/but/plus/ 19:12:10 s/os/of/ 19:12:12 you must be real busy hacking those two proggie languages... 19:12:28 lots of news hehe 19:13:01 http://www.tecgraf.puc-rio.br/lua/ 19:13:50 http://angg.twu.net/e/lua.e.html 19:15:07 hmm...(viewing Lua webpage) 19:33:19 done reading Lua online doc (quickly)...hmm...interesting...so what do you intend to do with Lua? 19:34:32 mainly call it from my Forth... I don't know much about it, but it seems nicer than python, and I wanted an alternative to Tcl 19:35:15 I find Tcl confusing, especially when trying to translate the Tcl/Tk app.... 19:36:49 Yes, it is hard at first, but at least when you grasp the basic principles you've lerned it all. I find Perl impossible and I don't know how can be that so many people love it 19:38:34 TheBlueWizard: what languages do you know/use/like/etc? 19:38:40 I understand the appeal of Perl...because it gives so much tools to anyone who have picked up on bash, awk, sed, etc. over the years... 19:39:01 * TheBlueWizard dislikes Perl...too messy 19:40:02 I know many people who say that Perl is good beacuse of its libraries 19:40:14 like: assembly, C, Forth (but in their own places :) 19:40:24 but these people can't read the libraries, the code is impossible 19:41:37 I like Forth, Icon and Tcl, I know C, awk, Haskell, sed, Emacs Lisp 19:41:39 dislike: anything from M$ (yeah, I've used VB, VBScript, etc. --- and have horror stories hehe), C++ (horribly ugly in long run), um.... 19:42:31 sed, awk are ok...but not used much...never used Lisp 19:43:23 never used Icon...dabbled a bit in Tclk, and don't really like it overall (though I like how easy new variables are created though) 19:44:39 yeah, that's the problem with Perl....write only code...even my friend, who is big on Perl, told me he had trouble deciphering some Perl programs :) 19:45:04 people say that Forth is write-only too 19:45:49 for me the biggest problem with forth is choosing names for words, I always want to change them some time after creating them 19:46:09 yes...Forth can be write only...especially in the hands of bad coders 19:47:01 that's one problem, yeah....but for large app, the naming get more and more like COBOL (that's another one I hate) 19:47:01 I'm not sure if I'm a good coder, BTW - I'm very bad at big programs, which is evidence that I'm not a real programmer... :-| 19:48:07 big = >200 lines... 19:49:00 you fall flat on your face at 200 lines?! I deal in tens of thousand lines of code often.... 19:49:37 :-)-: 19:49:56 and I don't consider tens of thousand lines really big....hundreds of thousands, yeah it is *big*...I'd fall flat on my face hehe 19:51:04 what things have you programmed that came up so large? 19:51:18 was it alone or in a team? 19:51:31 alone, mostly.... 19:52:34 fortunately a lot of it are kind of canned, like drawing screen routine, whatever (I'm talking about stuff at work) 19:52:56 for GUIs? 19:53:30 these are MSDOS apps.... 19:53:57 so it's text stuff, and the logic is quite trivial... right? 19:54:16 yeah, I still provide support for MSDOS system in certain field offices (long story) 19:54:47 what language do you use for these things in DOS? 19:55:28 yes, text stuff, and for most part it is pretty trivial. unfortunately I was forced to follow the "standard" set by other people before me (again long story), which makes changing something of a pain 19:55:39 C with embedded SQL 19:56:51 parenthesis: if you like hardcore I've just uploaded an mp3 of a swedish band of the early 80s that is one of the few things in hardcore that I like & respect... 19:58:08 I don't have MP3 player....and I don't use any speakers at all :) 19:59:26 I used to be like that, but now I have my computer connected to a real sound system and I have 700M of ripped mp3s (and only 30M of napsterized mp3s) 20:00:07 not trying to convince you, though. 20:00:08 hehe...but you see, I'm deaf :) 20:00:45 and you don't need any fscking hardcore to make you deafer. :) 20:01:39 * TheBlueWizard blinks then laughs uproariously 20:02:13 most ppl would say, "Aw man you miss out on the best stuff", y'know what I say? :) 20:02:34 I'm gonna disconnect, I want to work a bit on the... hm, what? 20:03:14 hmm? 20:04:04 I can't edit two lines at the same time, so I asked you "what do you say" without clearing the line 20:04:21 do you say "hm?" to those people? 20:05:37 yeah.... 20:05:57 :) 20:06:40 but I guess that most people don't understand the answer... :) 20:07:40 I suppose that makes me "clueful" mwahaha! 20:11:12 bye, I want to use my last neurones non-sleeping for programming before they decide to follow the others... 20:11:36 (exchange words "nerones" and "non-sleeping" :) 20:11:50 bye TheBlueWizard! See ya... 20:11:56 --- part: edrx left #forth 20:12:01 lol...ok bye n have a good night 20:12:19 :) 21:21:07 --- quit: FareAway (forward.openprojects.net tolkien.openprojects.net) 21:21:08 --- quit: Speuler (forward.openprojects.net tolkien.openprojects.net) 21:21:08 --- quit: aaronl (forward.openprojects.net tolkien.openprojects.net) 21:21:08 --- quit: TheBlueWizard (forward.openprojects.net tolkien.openprojects.net) 21:21:23 --- join: FareAway (fare@ppp47-net1-idf2-bas1.isdnet.net) joined #forth 21:21:23 --- join: aaronl_ (aaronl@vitelus.com) joined #forth 21:21:23 --- mode: pohl.openprojects.net set mode: +o FareAway 21:22:36 --- join: Speuler (l@c38038.upc-c.chello.nl) joined #forth 21:22:36 --- mode: jordan.openprojects.net set mode: +o Speuler 21:27:39 --- join: TheBlueWizard (TheBlueWiz@ppp-195.u1-h2.dca.fcc.net) joined #forth 21:27:39 --- mode: ChanServ set mode: +o TheBlueWizard 21:28:11 * I440r is teaching bewm to code 21:28:32 bewm who? 21:30:01 a kid from nz 21:30:04 i think he is 13 21:30:09 ah :) 21:30:11 he has had a shell account on purp for ages 21:30:16 he comes on my irc too 21:30:18 he is a pest 21:30:23 he pesterd you all the time 21:30:24 :P 21:30:35 he has been pestering me to teach him c :P 21:30:37 bleh 21:30:41 hehe...then why bother to teach him how to code? :) 21:30:49 ah 21:38:18 he wants to learn 21:38:36 he has figured some things out already, he mite make a good coder one day :) 21:40:07 maybe, if he is persistent and is willing to hack up pgms.... 21:40:46 at least we may gain another "free" developer for Linux et al. :) 21:42:38 I440r: why C? 21:42:47 im starting with c 21:42:53 but ill teach him asm too 21:42:55 then forth :) 21:43:06 just enough that he will be able to understand ennuff to learn the rest himself 21:43:19 * TheBlueWizard nods 21:44:04 of course being a good coder takes experience and *understanding* 21:45:11 from what ive seen him learn so far he will be ok :) 21:45:28 heh 22:01:26 got to go....l8r! 22:01:32 --- part: TheBlueWizard left #forth 22:02:53 --- mode: I440r set mode: +o aaronl_ 22:29:41 --- join: Johan4Jesus (jrus@cisap5-d-158.pop.co.za) joined #forth 22:31:02 is anyone awake in here 22:32:38 me 22:32:41 u a forth coder ? 22:35:41 hello yes i started in 1983 22:36:00 i worked with 8080 fiogforth 22:36:16 then went to 8086 figforth 22:36:26 then we bought poly forth 22:36:57 so i love forth 22:37:06 u here 22:39:22 cool! 22:39:30 ive got poly forth here :) 22:39:49 --- mode: I440r set mode: +o Johan4Jesus 22:39:57 anyone who codes forth is cool :P 22:39:57 okay i gave u stats , no give back 22:40:03 well 22:40:08 i am m/39/south africa 22:40:14 ive coded asm since 1987 22:40:21 started in forth in about 1989 22:40:34 worked with polyforth and chipforth for the 8051 22:40:43 done alot of work with fpc 22:40:58 started writing my own 8051 forth but didnt have an 8051 so halted taht 22:41:08 but am currently working on an x86 forth for linux 22:41:23 have written an 8051 simulator so will continue wiht the forth soon 22:42:07 want help with forth for linux 22:42:36 yea 22:42:37 always :) 22:42:48 actually im sort of on hold rite now but will pick it back up 22:42:52 u will have to do x386 forth rather than x86 or would u like to run in 86 vm in linux like dos 22:43:17 it is pmode :P 22:43:21 pmode? 22:43:24 you can see the "sources so far" on isforth.sourceforge.net 22:43:35 if sourceforge is back up 22:43:44 there is a link in there to the cvs web 22:43:44 ooh 22:43:57 yaeh its back up 22:44:10 i killed sourcforges 22:44:21 jk lol 22:44:31 i am a bill gates groupy 22:44:54 and sourceforge is threathing mircosoft 22:45:01 sure is :) 22:45:03 just a joke 22:45:14 i figured :P 22:45:29 i think the latest versions of the source files is in my /pub 22:45:38 ftp://ftp.purplecoder.com/pub/isforth 22:45:39 why do u not give my the http://isforth.sourceforge.net like this 22:45:46 isforth is the name of the project 22:46:00 i think mirc might catch it in the url catcher 22:46:01 mrreach and speuler are forth experts :) 22:46:21 thanks for making me operator 22:46:37 but u r gonna regret it if no one talks 22:46:37 * aaronl_ is a forth newbie 22:46:59 the rest are all afk :) 22:47:08 and if u do a channel take over i can recover :P 22:47:10 i own the channel hehe 22:47:56 * aaronl_ is waiting for isforth to do any forth work 22:48:09 tks i am just kidding 22:48:15 i fogured :P 22:49:28 isforth is thus far done in 100% pure asm 22:49:38 using macros to create the headers in a seperate header space 22:49:54 and to create coded defs verses : defs 22:49:56 not a good idea 22:50:14 the point is to make a kernel that will be able to metacompile itself 22:50:17 doing it all in asm 22:50:17 from FORTH source 22:50:26 its asm and : defs too 22:50:31 but MOSTLY asm 22:50:34 yes 22:50:36 its not portable 22:50:40 thats a prime directive 22:50:45 the KERNEL will NOT be portable 22:50:48 yes i can help with that 22:51:01 the kernel will be rewritten for mac/alpha/what ever 22:51:13 who cares 22:51:16 application code will be portable accross all supported platforms 22:51:20 exactly 22:51:31 the kernel will be a master of the processor it was created for 22:51:35 i knw 22:51:39 not a jack of all processors 22:51:40 seems like a nice idea 22:51:43 i know 22:51:45 take a look at the source 22:51:50 it shud be there heh 22:52:02 i master off none 22:52:12 of 22:52:49 tell me which sources are u using for your code 22:52:49 i mean are u writing from sracth or what 22:52:53 u gona be regular in here ? 22:52:54 yes 22:52:57 basically 22:53:13 hold on i going ther 22:53:13 yes 22:53:24 using fpc and f83 as templates but im not cutting and pasting 22:54:15 i am trying to ftp downlad your code 22:54:24 how did u hear of htis channel ? 22:54:25 whats your time? 22:54:31 1:49 am 22:54:34 im in indiana usa 22:54:37 cool tks 22:54:42 hahah 22:54:46 in /list 22:54:47 m 37 indiana :P 22:54:50 no wonder I440r is a nra-worshiping hick 22:54:57 9:00 here 22:54:57 :P~ 22:54:59 m 15 california 22:55:02 no really 22:55:15 i found the name in /list 22:55:18 za... 22:55:24 zimbabwe? 22:55:43 no 22:55:45 south africa 22:55:46 heh 22:56:04 i am in south africa 22:56:17 cool :) 22:56:19 i am male 39 22:56:27 my uncle and aunt are visiting south africa tomorrow 22:56:36 i hope u do mind my nick 22:56:57 why would i 22:57:01 i just like to make a subtle statement 22:57:23 i am a preaching bible bashing freak 22:57:23 i am programmer 22:57:38 i am not a preaching 22:57:45 where? 22:58:05 tell them to visit me i will give them coffe 22:58:15 heh 22:58:15 coffee o late 22:58:32 i don't get your nick.. 22:58:59 I440r your name is nick right 22:59:10 no 22:59:13 he's mark :P 22:59:15 I440r is Ibanez 440 radius = my guitar 22:59:18 name is mark 22:59:23 sorry name is mark 22:59:28 your guitar is cool 22:59:31 I440r is mark right 22:59:36 yes 22:59:43 cool 22:59:44 http://www.purplecoder.com/image13.jpg 22:59:50 does your guitar run DOS? 22:59:54 hehe no 22:59:56 linux :P 23:00:20 guitars are ultra-cool 23:00:23 i dream of learning it 23:00:37 what do you think of computer audio? 23:00:56 mark i am downloading the code 23:01:06 i hate computer audio 23:01:15 jk 23:01:24 i have a text to speech running in this room 23:01:33 and my music is mp3's 23:01:56 i have 4.5gb of mp3s 23:02:15 hey I440r i got an 81.9gb drive :) its fun to give in to bloatware (not :( ) 23:02:19 mark do u know where i can get code to access extsfs2 from windows 23:02:36 i dont think it exists 23:02:45 you can access fat32 from linux tho 23:02:53 aaron do u have a file sharing program 23:03:02 it does 23:03:07 file sharing? 23:03:17 no there is code for windows 23:03:40 thats new... there didnt used to be... im not sure... 23:03:40 r u running mirc or linux now 23:03:47 someone in #linpeople might know 23:03:49 aaronl_ ? 23:03:52 linux 23:04:02 * aaronl_ plays super mario world 23:04:21 mark is purlecoder your domian 23:04:22 Johan4Jesus: i'm not a windows user and i never have been. never even had windows installed on any of my comps 23:04:45 purplecoder is an awesome domain 23:04:47 i want a shell tehr e:P 23:05:03 cool so okay r u running a ftp server on your linux box 23:05:12 me 2 23:05:19 so i can crash it 23:05:33 jk 23:05:33 i have two machines ehre 23:05:39 purplecoder.com is my server 23:05:40 that runs 23:05:41 irc 23:05:44 email 23:05:45 ssh 23:05:50 ftp 23:05:51 http 23:05:55 dns? 23:05:59 and dns 23:06:04 and samba 23:06:08 heh 23:06:22 k give access or tell me how to be a cool user 23:06:44 hehe 23:06:59 how old are u again ? 23:07:02 I440r do you have a gun? 23:07:02 heh 23:07:05 yes 23:07:07 i can i try to log in as guess on your linux box 23:07:07 i have many 23:07:16 no guest accounts here... 23:07:33 or give a user name password 23:07:33 user name : jrus 23:07:38 I440r: whaddaya shoot 23:07:39 ? 23:07:54 paper :P 23:08:06 passowrd marytom 23:08:06 but only if u want 2 23:08:06 not necessary now 23:08:07 i shoot high power rifle competitions 23:08:17 I shot some cans once 23:08:18 it was fun 23:08:22 i mite make an account sometime... 23:08:28 13 lol , 39 23:08:28 gotta get a feel for who you are first... 23:08:41 Johan4Jesus: telling him the password in a public channel is not a great idea... 23:08:44 no thats cool 23:08:46 I440r: what about me??? :) 23:08:57 :P 23:09:15 i have no secrets 23:09:52 i rather give someone access befores he messed things up and make a mistake 23:10:11 mark i will be running a full linux server soon 2 23:10:29 cool! 23:10:29 just give me time 23:10:33 :) 23:11:12 currently i do have all the knowledge of linux yet 23:11:20 i am not a beginner 23:11:32 but i need to get this working 23:11:37 I440r: a bunch of my teachers were republican hicks who went bird yhunting as a sport 23:11:38 im not a beginner exactly but there is still alot i dont know :) 23:11:42 things working 23:11:55 my biggest problem is that i have a win-modem 23:12:37 ack 23:12:41 that could be a big problem 23:12:52 well 23:12:56 theres a driver now 23:12:58 but it sucks 23:13:04 i downloaded a total of 1k from your server 23:13:05 you're best off without analog crap anyway 23:13:05 get dsl 23:13:32 no avaible in south africa 23:13:42 not 23:14:10 as long as there is a win2000 driver for it , i might not care 23:14:14 duude 23:14:16 thats inhumane 23:14:33 cause i do not like exclusion 23:14:49 i like embracing 23:15:02 and emablement 23:15:10 enablment 23:15:47 mark do u have monitoring tools running on your ftp server 23:16:05 i looks like its stalling 23:16:12 nope 23:18:44 i am stuck on 1.448 bytes and getting no further 23:19:06 i am logging in from getright now 23:19:12 HAHAHA 23:19:16 getright is obscene 23:19:26 do u limit to one connection per ip 23:19:26 hmm 23:19:32 not my server acting up 23:19:38 aaronl_ what u mean 23:19:39 could be a problem between you and my server 23:19:47 i love getright 23:20:14 getright does some multiconnect bullshit to try to get you better speeds 23:20:29 so do most ftp programs 23:20:33 umm 23:20:37 not ftp(1) 23:20:40 so does netscape :P 23:20:43 hihi! 23:20:56 thers a name for it but i forget what it is... 23:21:02 passive mode ? 23:21:15 No 23:21:19 passive is differnt 23:21:33 getright like makes 20 simulatious connections to download one file 23:21:36 I like the unix one, what is it? ncftp? 23:21:47 HAHAHA! I440r: did you see Elizabeth Rather's comments about ANS on usenet? 23:21:57 It looks like she agrees w/ you, at least in part. I quote ... 23:22:02 "The existing 23:22:05 i like ftp(1) 23:22:05 language, with its "waffle words," was arrived at as a specific 23:22:08 erm no i cant do newsgroups yet.. 23:22:09 compromise to allow this behavior without requiring it. 23:22:09 what she say ? 23:22:12 didnt set it up 23:22:13 [end quote] 23:22:26 --- quit: Johan4Jesus (i am tired of talking to you people or perhaps my system crashed who knows) 23:22:37 so i can NOT follow the spec and be compliant ? 23:22:38 cool :{P 23:23:07 I440r: when I read that part about "waffle words", I immediately thought of you @:^> 23:23:39 hehe 23:23:42 tnx :) 23:23:58 i like not having to follow that spec and still being compoliant with it :P 23:24:14 I recall that being your biggest issue with ANS, and apparently, it rankles Ms. Rathers, as well 23:24:27 --- join: Johan4Jesus (jrus@cisap5-d-158.pop.co.za) joined #forth 23:24:31 wb, Johan 23:24:56 tks 23:24:56 hehe and she is the head of the std team isnt she ? 23:24:56 heh 23:25:10 I4: you running X on that giant Linux machine? 23:25:26 Netscape for X handles newsreading beautifully 23:25:40 i killed my ftp client and a gonna access your server from getright 23:25:48 yes but i aint set up on a server yet 23:25:55 was gona ask my isp what there server was ehhe 23:25:57 but forgot 23:26:17 k :) 23:26:23 not sure whether she is head, but she was working with Moore at Kit Peak when he invented Forth, and then went on to found Forth, Inc 23:26:35 yes i know 23:26:42 news serves is impracticall 23:26:46 i believe she is chairman of the ans standard team 23:26:51 severs 23:26:59 i4: doesn't your isp say in their technical web pages? 23:27:02 spam collectors :P 23:27:04 erm 23:27:06 that wouldn't surprise me 23:27:08 erm 23:28:00 we have a terrible connection i4 and me 23:28:35 i have noticed that I4's pipe is sometimes clogged 23:28:39 ping me from ur shell 23:28:43 mrreach no 23:28:48 my pipe was semi broken 23:28:49 not sure what he moves that is so big, though 23:28:56 oh 23:29:03 i update my debian mirror every day 23:29:04 oh, ok 23:29:07 but cant do so rite now 23:29:10 haha! 23:29:21 you might consider an incremental update @:^> 23:29:22 because the sourceforge rsync server is b0rked 23:29:25 but so was i 23:29:29 i paid for 384/384 23:29:34 but was getting 384/20 23:29:38 or something :P 23:29:43 they fixed me today 23:29:50 heh, someone owes you money 23:30:12 my ping to u timed out 23:31:27 i4 where else can i get your code , i cannot connect to your server 23:31:32 www.netlink.com <-- doesnt resolve 23:31:39 www.netlink.net shows a nice little page 23:31:44 sorry this site is closed" 23:31:46 erm 23:31:53 waht isp web pages would that be ? 23:31:54 ehhe 23:32:13 i think your isp is down 23:32:17 no 23:32:19 my isp is up 23:32:22 because im onlinbe hehe 23:32:30 but his web page is non existant 23:32:49 well, that rather SUCKS 23:32:55 then why do u a ping time out 23:32:57 doesn't insire confidence, for sure 23:33:17 prob because his firewall blocks uninvited UDP packets 23:33:34 k finally am i am logging in 23:33:39 my firewall doesnt block a damned thing :P 23:33:56 oh, ok, just a guess 23:34:01 ok i got your directory 23:35:10 Dec 16 02:34:35 gateway in.qpopper[5586]: warning: /etc/hosts.deny, line 15: can't verify hostname: gethostbyname(just.another.ircpimp.org) failed 23:35:12 is that you ? 23:35:19 k i am gettin thru 23:36:04 me idk , i am still learning all this garbage 23:36:17 idk= i do not know 23:36:26 ok 23:36:32 i dont think that is you 23:36:41 that is a spoofed name... 23:36:44 and ur not spoofing 23:37:01 not me 23:37:39 Dec 16 02:36:22 gateway tcplogd: port 51515 connection attempt from unknown@d150-48-74.home.cgocable.net [24.150.48.74] 23:37:46 tjat os probably you Johan4Jesus 23:37:50 erm 23:37:58 tHat Is 23:37:59 heh 23:38:01 tell me does sourceforge not give space for files on there servers 23:38:11 it does 23:38:37 but sourceforge is slightly broken right now and thses files wont go in my accounts ftp until the first release 23:40:32 tks can u do me a favor 23:40:39 sure 23:40:42 email me the code please 23:40:45 yeahehe 23:40:48 jrus@iname.com 23:40:48 was gona suggest that 23:41:07 my pinf to you is 1 min 5 secs 23:41:16 i4: do you have a web server running? 23:41:20 why yea hehe 23:41:47 yes 23:41:57 What I usually do in those situations is place the file somewhere in the htdocs tree with no link to it ... 23:42:14 and then manually give the link to those people who I want to have the file 23:42:16 hehe 23:42:29 ive created the tgz in /pub now 23:42:30 hehe 23:42:35 but ill email it to him now 23:42:56 mrreach do u have the code where i can get to it 23:43:06 or, alternatively, you might make a temporary symbolic link in htdocs to the file 23:43:14 Which code is that? 23:43:18 its in a tgz tho 23:43:23 I don't even know what you're trying to get 23:43:24 can u extract tgz >? 23:43:34 source for isforth 23:43:46 yes, I do, not sure the date thought 23:43:50 just a sec ... 23:44:05 yes its a tar.gz 23:44:08 * MrReach fires up the TCL web server 23:44:24 ack! 23:44:29 ok, 3 minutes, then 23:44:33 yes i use tgz for tar.gz hehe 23:44:49 neway i gotta go to bed because i have a wing chun lesson at 9 am and its 02:30 here now 23:45:14 i will see u tomorrow 23:45:27 i will hang out here and annoy the regulars 23:45:32 ok :) 23:45:38 thats ok if you are a regular :) 23:45:44 sleep well 23:45:47 nice 23:45:54 i'm getting a free vt520 =) 23:46:11 nite nite :) 23:46:25 MrReach 3 min before your server is up 23:46:43 nite mark sleep well and god bless 23:47:01 ok, try ... 23:47:18 http://209.181.43.190:81/IsForth.zip 23:47:18 give addy 23:48:56 I see two requests, did it work? 23:49:25 yes i am accessing your root 2 23:49:33 file is done 23:49:33 tks 23:49:40 do you mean ...:81/ 23:49:42 ??? 23:49:51 there should be test garbage there 23:49:58 atlinic house org roght 23:50:06 if you're accessing the root of C: I'd like to know 23:50:11 ok 23:50:33 yes i just took the filename away and hit enter 23:50:44 that's fine 23:50:44 no no i expressed myself poorly 23:51:03 the root of your inetpub or whatever its called 23:51:05 maybe you did, but I'm not convinced of the security of this server, yet 23:51:29 so I'm a bit paranoid ... that's why not on port 80 23:51:31 which server is it 23:51:41 perhaps i can help 23:51:46 it's a server written int he TCL scripting language 23:52:04 called httpd.tcl 23:52:20 give a username password for port 80 , i will not abuse 23:52:28 there is none 23:52:30 just test 23:52:36 the router blocks port 80 23:52:40 u cna disable after i am in or out or whatever 23:52:53 the http server is on 81, and only when I need it up 23:53:06 okay so why does the stupid thing askes for a username password 23:53:15 when you go to port 80? 23:53:25 that's so you can remotely configure the router 23:53:31 I should get rid of that 23:53:33 yes 23:53:41 thanks for pointing it out 23:53:50 ok now i know that 23:53:56 (i *HATE* confiuring Cisco equipment) 23:54:04 ok rather pay me 23:54:14 lol 23:54:14 jk 23:54:16 and no, you may not have access to my router's configuration 23:54:44 of course i do not want that 23:54:53 i am not a hacker 23:55:03 i am christian first 23:55:13 then a friend 23:55:13 then a programmer 23:55:22 then nothing 23:55:41 okay do u have ftp server running 23:55:51 or a irc server 23:55:56 heh, when I was running TerraComm, this company wanted to know if I wanted to pay them to attack our systems and report any weaknesses to us ... 23:56:01 i am learning this linux business 23:56:01 btw 23:56:05 when u have time 23:56:09 no, no servers here 23:56:46 check my homepage http://www.ilovejesus.com/myhome/jrus/index.html 23:57:02 do u have an info page or webpage somewhere 23:57:17 Johan what's with the jesus theme? 23:57:19 I asked how much they want me to pay them, when they told me that a port scann was $800, or $300/mo 1 year contract, and that a thorough crack check was $1,400 I told them where to go in no uncertain terms. 23:57:41 arron: I suspect a relatively new christian. 23:57:54 LOL 23:58:01 no i am not new 23:58:20 i have been a christain for 39-17 years 23:58:40 and a programmer for 2000-1982 years 23:58:49 s 23:58:54 and delphi pascal programmer for 6 years 23:58:59 heheh 23:59:16 and linux fan for 1 years now 23:59:52 and internet chatter for 2.5 years almost evry night for about 3 hours when i have net access 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/00.12.15