00:00:00 --- log: started forth/00.12.14 00:32:04 --- join: mrreach (mrreach@purplecoder.com) joined #forth 00:32:28 you got a shell account?/ 00:32:39 wioy 00:32:43 --- quit: mrreach (BitchX: anything else would be uncivilized) 00:45:55 --- quit: Zzzpeuler (Ping timeout for Zzzpeuler[c38038.upc-c.chello.nl]) 00:51:42 --- join: Zzzpeuler (l@c38038.upc-c.chello.nl) joined #forth 00:54:00 --- mode: I440r set mode: +o Zzzpeuler 01:28:00 =) 02:15:22 --- join: nate37 (nate@cx83983-d.irvn1.occa.home.com) joined #forth 02:15:26 heh 02:15:28 --- part: nate37 left #forth 03:16:35 --- quit: I440r (Read error to I440r[purplecoder.com]: EOF from client) 03:16:46 --- join: I440r (mark4@purplecoder.com) joined #forth 03:46:42 --- quit: Talia` (ShadowIRC 1.0.3 PPC) 04:13:01 --- quit: ult (barnes.openprojects.net sagan.openprojects.net) 04:13:43 --- join: ult (ultima@149.149.201.30) joined #forth 04:13:43 --- mode: forward.openprojects.net set mode: +o ult 04:17:15 --- quit: I440r (tolkien.openprojects.net king.openprojects.net) 04:17:22 --- join: I440r (mark4@purplecoder.com) joined #forth 07:31:34 --- join: Fare (fare@ppp49-net1-idf2-bas1.isdnet.net) joined #forth 09:25:41 --- join: adu (andrew@1Cust230.tnt2.vacaville.ca.da.uu.net) joined #forth 09:25:52 yo there 09:25:57 wuzup all? 09:31:58 --- nick: Fare -> FareAway 09:35:28 --- quit: adu ([x]chat) 10:09:55 --- quit: aaronl (Read error to aaronl[vitelus.com]: EOF from client) 10:10:07 --- join: aaronl (aaronl@vitelus.com) joined #forth 10:51:30 --- join: adu (andrew@1Cust212.tnt1.vacaville.ca.da.uu.net) joined #forth 11:09:02 --- quit: adu ([x]chat) 11:39:50 clop op me :P 11:40:47 argh cloGGGG why did i hit that type gawd 11:40:53 i suck at typing :P 11:53:04 --- nick: Zzzpeuler -> Speuler 11:53:35 know about MacArthur Park (movie)? 11:54:11 from makers of blair witch project: who has killed bill gates ? 11:54:48 citizens for truth suspect a fanatical linux user 11:55:53 more (soon) on www.billgatesisdead.com 11:58:06 i got a snapshot of what could have been a relict of the movie: http://blik.wox.org/images/bill_big.jpg 11:58:59 only, in the movie bg died dec2,1999 12:04:09 --- mode: Speuler set mode: +o I440r 12:19:57 :) 12:20:41 i didnt watch the blah witch project :P 12:26:02 nor did i 12:26:32 just picked up MacArthur Park from the news ticker 12:28:23 i got a new contract 12:28:23 6 week job 12:28:23 from home :) 12:28:23 that's great. hope u enjoy it 12:32:22 its just doccumenting soem stuff 12:32:28 they already have all the coding done 12:32:39 but it allows me to continue with my wing chun... 12:32:44 dont have to leave here yet 12:40:29 --- quit: ult (ircII EPIC4pre2 -- Accept no limitations) 13:05:23 --- join: edrx (edrx@200.240.18.74) joined #forth 13:05:38 hi edrx 13:05:59 Hi! I have never seen you here... who are you? 13:06:31 * Speuler alias bongo 13:06:39 ed!!! 13:06:46 hehe u know him 13:06:52 u're the hsforth guy i think 13:06:53 u jsut dont know u know him hehe 13:07:01 yes 13:07:25 which nick were you using earlier? Do you still remember it? 13:07:25 its bongo :P 13:07:26 haven't said "hi" 2 u for a while 13:07:30 hm! 13:08:34 This is my first day of holidays (sort of) and I was planning to work on my Tcl-based forth later... it is amazing to find you two here 13:08:45 :) 13:08:45 nick "bongo" has been grabbed on other nets, and i don't run a bot no more. 13:09:04 Speuler: did you play with HS-Forth? 13:09:10 a little bit 13:09:35 I like its use of the full text screen 13:09:42 mostly to get an idea about it. i was single stepping through its vm 13:10:52 edrx: IMHO the majority of forth interpreters is console-based 13:11:27 (especially forth for dos) 13:12:01 Speuler: yes, but most, like the *nix ones, or FPC, or FIG, or F83, only let you edit a line at a time 13:12:38 true 13:13:01 ? 13:13:01 Speuler: hsforth is like having 33KB, Forth-based Emacs in which there's a command to execute the current line in Forth... 13:13:07 btw, "speuler" is pronounced like "spoiler" 13:13:17 console based is best 13:13:26 gui shud be an extention 13:13:35 agree 13:13:48 agree, too 13:16:13 I440r: I don't know if you know that, but in HS-Forth you can edit lines on the whole screen, insert lines, move text around, etc; and when you type [Enter] the current line is executed 13:16:13 and its output overwrites the following lines. Simple and lovely. 13:18:09 anyone here got some version of Color Forth working? 13:18:39 hi 13:18:48 ooooo 13:19:34 block oriented ? 13:19:45 I'm a poor Linux user who wants a nice Forth to play 13:19:45 i dont like block editors.. 13:20:33 block oriented what? color forth or hsforth? 13:21:06 me 2 :P 13:21:06 i shud realy start working on isforth again,.... 13:21:37 no 13:21:48 forht editors are traditionaly blocks 13:22:00 or screens 13:22:00 i dont like those 13:24:17 I don't like to be forced into blocks, either 13:24:23 :) 13:26:18 useful as medium level file system. 13:26:49 they have their uses in a system where forth is the ONLY operating system,... 13:26:53 very simple to implement 13:27:31 forth may be more important for these kind of system than under an OS 13:28:12 maybe 13:28:29 but forth on a full blown os is very usefull for development.... 13:32:36 I would like to pick some standalone Forths for the PC and modify them to let the boot using Grub 13:32:47 s/the boot/them boot/ 13:34:30 the last Color-Forth like that appeared in the UT page would be a good candidate for that, but there's no pointer to how to download it or how to contact the author... 13:35:36 :) 13:40:33 I440r: can you give me the instrs for downloading isforth from the CVS? 13:40:33 erm theres no tgz yet 13:40:35 but if u go to isforth.spourceforge.net 13:40:39 follow link to source 13:40:43 theres a link to the cvs in there 13:40:48 i cant remember the exact url 13:43:11 yes, but it's for the http version of the cvs repository, I don't know enough cvs to be able to convert it the standard names 13:43:30 click on a file 13:43:46 theres a link in there to download that file 13:43:46 shift click that link and save as 13:43:53 u gotta do that once for each file :) 13:43:55 i know 13:44:02 its a pain but isforth isnt releaseable yet 13:44:47 hm :( 13:45:35 i think u can find the same in /pub 13:45:42 but /pub mite be older 13:45:58 need to delete all these extra copies of it and collect the cvs myself 13:46:47 I think I'm going to wait until it becomes a bit more useful 13:47:12 btw, have you tried to run small demos with it, writing the bytecode by hand? 13:47:40 nope 13:47:44 theres no i/o yet 13:47:51 need key and ?key 13:48:05 and a cpl of other words first 13:48:13 do you have . and ." ? 13:48:26 not yet 13:48:40 was working on the number conversion code last tho... 13:49:08 will you use the standard words like # or something more convenient? 13:49:22 <# # #> etc 13:49:42 I hate that, I'm not going to implement that in my toy Forth 13:49:54 they are good definitions 13:49:59 very easy to use... 13:50:00 I'm going to call printf and friends instead 13:50:40 ugh! 13:51:10 hehe 13:51:10 me no like them no no no 13:51:10 I prefer to concentrate on what is really relevant to me 13:51:10 :) 13:51:12 like things that would be necessary to implement features from other languages 13:51:33 im trying to get away from "other" languages :P 13:51:35 except asm that is 13:52:35 :| 13:59:16 bye 13:59:30 --- part: edrx left #forth 14:52:33 --- quit: clog (Ping timeout) 14:52:33 --- log: stopped forth/00.12.14 14:52:51 --- log: started forth/00.12.14 14:52:51 --- join: clog (nef@bespin.org) joined #forth 14:52:51 --- topic: 'do drop >in - foot in yourself shoot' 14:52:51 --- topic: set by I440r on [Wed Dec 13 19:49:59 2000] 14:52:51 --- names: list (clog aaronl FareAway @I440r @Speuler) 14:52:51 --- names: EOL 16:18:28 --- join: ult (ultima@149.149.201.30) joined #forth 16:39:28 --- mode: Speuler set mode: +o ult 17:18:50 --- join: TheBlueWizard (TheBlueWiz@216.25.203.136) joined #forth 17:18:50 --- mode: ChanServ set mode: +o TheBlueWizard 17:18:58 hiya all 17:19:17 hi wiz 17:19:44 hiya Speuler...I don't remember seeing you before... 17:19:53 * Speuler alias bongo 17:20:06 ah 17:23:20 oh no. i just trashed my desktop 17:23:46 what do you mean by trashing your desktop? 17:24:14 deleted mime type. nowe lots of things don't work anymore. 17:24:20 types 17:24:58 rigorously cleaning up disk. done too well... 17:25:03 hmm...what OS are you using? 17:25:10 linux 17:25:19 oh....hehe 17:26:24 well, i ended up w/o mime types before once, so i should be able to fix it w/o too much problems, adhering to the procedure which worked last time 17:26:43 I suppose it'd be possible to hack rm so all deleted files will have a "timer" attached ...so you can be more sloppy in deleting ;) 17:27:10 yes, but that defeats the purpose of freeing some space 17:27:20 what was the reason i used rm 17:27:50 haven't upgraded my desktop hardware for quite a while. 17:28:04 could do with another harddisk ... 17:28:46 well, i increased my screen resolution, fiddling with X config a bit 17:28:58 * TheBlueWizard grins 17:29:08 sounds like you're having a ball... 17:29:12 its now 1728x1296 :) 17:29:25 wow...nice res! 17:29:34 highest i had as far 17:29:48 and still 70 frames/sec 17:30:04 70? impressive 17:30:29 could be higher, but i don't drive the monitor to its limits 17:30:30 I'm on my old PC (Pentium 166 hehe) 17:30:46 amd k6-2 here 17:31:03 not really top of the notch 17:31:37 * TheBlueWizard nods 17:31:51 works well enough 17:32:25 I'm saving up money...for eventual buying of house....then I'll save up (much easier this time around hehe) for buying a kick ass computer :) 17:32:49 those machines stay top only for short while 17:32:59 i prefer incremental upgrade 17:33:16 whenever the machine gets to its limits 17:33:44 RAM is nicely cheap again now 17:33:57 i might add some 17:34:34 low cost, big effect 17:35:56 may have more impact than new processor 17:36:21 I don't intend to go after the bleeding edge...but I do want the "next thing" real bad...namely quad SMP machines :) 17:36:52 * TheBlueWizard nods re: the importance of right engineering of computer... 17:37:34 that's indeed a nice thing to go for, again, not necessarily for speed (do you run many apps which could profit from SMP?), but for toying around with. 17:37:53 friend of mine runs a dual-processor firewall :) 17:38:13 (2x75 MHz Pentium) 17:39:17 got board dirt cheap, neither was the 2nd processor a big investment 17:39:52 yes, toying with it, and for smooth running, plus I would like to run a few CPU intensive apps like raytacing or number crunching (I'm a number theory fan ;) 17:40:05 and the only reason he plugged 2nd cpu in was because he could do it. 17:40:30 that's indeed an area where you can take advantage of SMP 17:40:34 * TheBlueWizard blinks re: dual-CPU firewall....a bit of an overkill IHHO 17:41:14 funny system. cheap base, nice extensions. 17:41:33 replace "cheap" against "obsolete" 17:42:11 and of course that raises an interesting question: how would a low-level Forth would architect itself around SMP machines? (by low-level I'm talking about Forth running directly atop the hardware without the underlying OS such as Winblows or Linux) 17:43:15 good question. i was confering with mrreach about desirability to add SMP caps to forth. 17:43:57 you already discussed that? man, you're ahead of me hehe 17:44:08 and i met a SMP-compiler developer during my scotland trip 17:44:38 whom i'd like to join the show 17:45:13 "join the show"? you mean you'd like to join that company? 17:45:32 he's student at edinburg university 17:46:04 and i believe the advantages would be of mutual nature 17:46:27 (forth should help to develop compilers) 17:47:02 it is no commercial operation 17:47:23 ah...kewl! BeOS already 'proved' the benefits of SMP computers...you can see the better performance this way...of course M$ and Intel corrupts the SMP market.... 17:47:52 who is microsoft ? 17:48:07 blue screen inc ? 17:48:13 yup 17:48:52 "this blue screen has been offered to you by " 17:49:09 lol 17:49:18 "using SMP techniques" 17:50:01 my browser personality, as presented to microsoft.com, is 17:50:20 "internet exploder/7.0 (blue screen inc) 17:50:52 quick, copyright that one lest M$ steals that fantastic idea! :) 17:51:24 let them have it 17:51:37 who else would be interested ? 17:52:16 then you can sue M$'s ass off for a good amount of dough ;) 17:52:37 you wouldn't take money from anybody, would you? 17:56:02 hey, have you ever been shafted by M$? now here is a perfect payback :) 17:56:31 i run linux since kernel 0.94 17:57:04 hope they don't sue me 17:57:25 hmm....that long? kewl....I suppose your Linux/GNU variety is one of a kind (i.e. not Debian, not whatever), eh? 17:58:06 was running SLS, then slack, debian, suse, and moving back to debian now. 17:58:40 what is SLS? 17:58:47 soft landing solutions 17:59:03 doesn't exist anymore 17:59:12 think it became slackware 18:00:08 ah 18:00:29 evidently you have some various experience...I bet you like Debian the best :) 18:01:13 indeed, i think i do. have potato running on the notebook now, and i'm very impressed. i did a net install, no cds 18:01:57 was running debian 1.1 some years ago, and, as other distributions, tey have improved considerably 18:02:23 s/ as / like / 18:02:40 s/tey/they/ 18:03:01 * TheBlueWizard went thru the similar route...created a bunch of floppies to "feed" his laptop, and then connect to the Net for more downloading 18:03:45 debian ? 18:04:38 rat hat ? 18:04:44 Debian 18:05:05 I installed it in Jan this year 18:08:27 * Speuler gone fro a few minutes 18:08:34 k 18:28:39 tbw!!!! 18:28:45 --- mode: I440r set mode: +o FareAway 18:28:47 --- mode: I440r set mode: +o clog 18:28:50 --- mode: I440r set mode: +o aaronl 18:28:57 hiya I440r! :) 18:29:24 just got back from wing chun :) 18:29:54 heh....winded, eh? 18:32:05 nah 18:32:12 im getting better at those pushups tho hehe 18:32:15 good :) 18:33:23 hehe....I can do 25 pushups easily....but 50? I'd tucker out! :) 18:34:24 well i do 10 normal pushups 18:34:27 20 flutter kicks 18:34:41 10 pushoups with hands as far out as i can do it hehe 18:34:45 20 flutter kicks 18:34:56 10 pushups with hands close together 18:35:00 that sorta thing hehe 18:35:06 I sux at situps though...best is only 3, perhaps 18:35:17 situps are bad for you rlower back 18:36:22 situps are a popular exercise though....and it builds up the belly muscles 18:37:26 well do this instead 18:37:28 lay on back 18:37:38 put hands under butt for support 18:37:49 kick ur left leg up about a ft and a half off the ground 18:38:07 bring it back down almost to the ground as you kick the other leg up to the same height 18:38:08 alternate like this 18:38:11 for 20 reps 18:38:23 bicycle exercise? 18:38:31 keep ur legs straight 18:38:35 and ur toes pointed 18:38:41 and dont kick HIGH 18:47:23 k 18:47:56 thats just as good as situps and doesnt put straign on ur lower back 18:48:17 s/straign/strain/ 18:48:18 yeah 19:01:35 got to go...bye all 19:01:45 --- part: TheBlueWizard left #forth 23:13:34 --- quit: I440r (Read error to I440r[purplecoder.com]: Connection reset by peer) 23:13:37 --- join: I440r (mark4@purplecoder.com) joined #forth 23:14:36 --- join: MrReach (mrreach@209.181.43.190) joined #forth 23:15:47 I4: is your network ok? or is something still wrong with my router? 23:26:28 --- mode: Speuler set mode: +o MrReach 23:26:32 --- mode: Speuler set mode: +o I440r 23:31:33 --- join: _MrReach_ (mrreach@209.181.43.190) joined #forth 23:32:23 --- quit: MrReach (Ping timeout for MrReach[209.181.43.190]) 23:42:55 --- join: MrReach (mrreach@209.181.43.190) joined #forth 23:43:17 YES! finally! 23:44:29 ? 23:44:50 --- quit: _MrReach_ (Ping timeout for _MrReach_[209.181.43.190]) 23:45:01 got my router to NAT correctly (I think) 23:46:03 NAT = network address translation 23:50:41 would someone kindly web to http://209.181.43.190:81/ and tell me what they see? 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/00.12.14