00:00:00 --- log: started forth/00.12.13 00:08:46 --- quit: aaronl__ (Read error to aaronl__[vitelus.com]: EOF from client) 00:08:50 --- join: aaronl__ (aaronl@vitelus.com) joined #forth 00:35:46 --- part: adu left #forth 02:53:34 --- quit: I440r (Ping timeout for I440r[purplecoder.com]) 03:07:56 --- quit: Fare (Ping timeout for Fare[ppp24-net1-idf2-bas1.isdnet.net]) 05:18:44 --- join: Fare (fare@ppp45-net1-idf2-bas1.isdnet.net) joined #forth 06:58:04 --- join: MrReach (mrreach@209.181.43.190) joined #forth 06:59:29 --- quit: MrReach () 08:06:31 gakuk 08:59:02 --- join: ult (ultima@149.149.201.30) joined #forth 09:48:19 --- quit: Fare (Ping timeout for Fare[ppp45-net1-idf2-bas1.isdnet.net]) 10:22:29 --- join: I440r (mark4@purplecoder.com) joined #forth 10:22:29 --- mode: ChanServ set mode: +o I440r 11:27:56 --- quit: ult (Read error to ult[149.149.201.30]: Connection reset by peer) 11:28:03 --- join: ult (ultima@149.149.201.30) joined #forth 11:28:21 hi ult hehe 11:28:23 --- mode: I440r set mode: +o aaronl__ 11:28:25 --- mode: I440r set mode: +o clog 11:28:27 --- mode: I440r set mode: +o ult 11:40:50 --- join: kev (amx@t1o316p62.teliauk.com) joined #forth 11:40:54 hi kev 11:41:00 hello 11:41:10 u a forth coder ? 11:41:41 where in england are u from ? 11:43:34 aha kev is from #tunes hehe 14:04:35 --- join: MrReach (mrreach@209.181.43.190) joined #forth 14:05:36 hihi! 14:09:20 don't everyone talk at once now! 14:11:05 ok i wont hehe 14:11:10 ive gota go to the store 14:11:14 nothign to eat here and im starved 14:11:18 drive carefully, then 14:11:22 yea 14:11:24 hmm, 14:11:29 anything you wanted to talk about when you return? 14:11:34 wonder if theres any snow on the roads.... 14:11:45 well, there's hella snow here 14:11:46 ill think of something :) 14:11:54 if thers snow on the road 14:11:59 tehrs idiots on the road 14:12:01 brb :) 14:12:09 and my wife chronically doesn't wear seat belts, so it's a ritual saying with me 14:12:23 ok 14:15:39 --- join: tgunr (davec@A17-219-112-15.apple.com) joined #forth 14:16:12 plenty of snow out there 14:16:19 gotta clean my windshield heh 14:16:26 at least 4 inches on the ground hehe 14:16:34 what city are you in/near? 14:38:18 heh, I ask you that every couple of months 14:56:30 hehe that was fun :) 14:56:38 sliding? 14:56:53 me ? 14:56:54 nah 14:57:03 thers only 3 or 4 inches... 14:57:08 maybe 5 in places 14:57:33 my wife gets mad at me ... 14:57:40 im in lafayette which is about an hour north of indianapolis 14:57:46 i always wear seatbelts 14:57:49 my dad never does 14:57:55 on empty streets, I drive sideways as much as forward to stay in practice 14:58:11 drives her nutz 15:00:24 heheheheh 15:00:29 ur mad :P 15:01:17 when I was 20, I spun my light truck on I5 in downtown Sacramento 15:01:23 --- mode: I440r set mode: +o kev 15:01:25 --- mode: I440r set mode: +o MrReach 15:01:28 and decided that wasn't going to happen again 15:01:28 --- mode: I440r set mode: +o tgunr 15:02:25 last year, the back end of my 1-ton tried to pass me while I was climbing an icy hill, and all the practice paid off 15:02:46 :) 15:04:06 heh, in Sedro Woolley, the town I lived in before this one ... 15:04:50 there was a 4-way stop where both roads were slightly lower than the surrounding terrain 15:05:26 so all the water collected there, formed a 2" deep lake, and froze over to be as smooth as glass 15:05:55 I've not been able to stop on that no matter how carefull I am or what I'm driving 15:06:32 hehehe 15:06:43 (of course, I never bought studded tires for Sedro Woolley, it doesn't freeze there often or hard) 15:07:31 so it's a matter of slowing to 3-5MPH and trying to time the intersection such that there doesn't happen to be a car sliding through it when I enter 15:08:25 hehehehehe 15:08:32 i gotta go get something to eat 15:08:35 got wing chun at 7 15:08:41 ok 15:08:47 h/fun 15:08:59 tnx :) 15:09:15 wanna see the COM code tonight? 15:09:24 starting to com together pretty good 15:24:23 starting to "com" together ?? hehe 15:24:29 sure ill take a look later... 15:24:35 terrible accidental pun 15:24:41 hehehehe 15:24:50 sure it was accidentia..... 15:24:51 heh 15:24:52 how does one create a stack allocation in Win32? 15:24:57 erm 15:24:59 i got no idea 15:25:09 i.e. a mem allocation that grows downward? 15:25:26 I can't seem to find it in MSDN 15:25:34 I _know_ it's there 16:15:38 --- quit: kev (Ping timeout for kev[t1o316p62.teliauk.com]) 16:32:03 --- quit: MrReach () 16:36:44 --- join: tcn (Tom@207.198.30.18) joined #forth 16:36:44 --- mode: ChanServ set mode: +o tcn 16:36:51 hey 16:50:55 --- quit: tcn (ircII EPIC4-2000 -- Accept no limitations) 18:09:32 --- quit: tgunr (Ping timeout for tgunr[A17-219-112-15.apple.com]) 18:20:56 argh missed tcn! 19:37:53 --- join: Speuler (l@c38038.upc-c.chello.nl) joined #forth 19:38:05 howdy 19:39:38 /topic foot in yourself shoot 19:43:11 heeh 19:43:22 hi dood 19:43:30 * Speuler alias bongo 19:43:30 anyone who tells jokes like that must be cool :P 19:43:35 aha 19:43:39 that xplanez it :) 19:43:41 --- mode: I440r set mode: +o Speuler 19:43:55 wb to #forth :) 19:43:58 would need bots to protect my former nick 19:44:10 whys that ? 19:44:16 --- join: Talia` (goshawk@agreen.dialup.cloud9.net) joined #forth 19:44:17 dictionary term 19:44:26 hi Talia` 19:44:31 u a forth coder ? :) 19:44:33 g'd morn 19:44:44 hello, l440. =) 19:44:48 I would like to think I am 19:44:49 :) 19:44:55 close ennuff :P 19:45:00 not a very good one, but yes 19:45:01 --- topic: set to 'foot in yourself shoot ' by Speuler 19:45:04 =) 19:45:04 --- mode: I440r set mode: +o Talia` 19:45:06 hah, thanks =) 19:45:19 brn i need a coffee :) 19:45:30 i had a jd to celebrate bush's speach... 19:45:33 now i need a coffee :P 19:45:49 jd ? 19:45:56 hah, didn't watch that 19:46:14 --- quit: ult (ircII EPIC4pre2 -- Accept no limitations) 19:46:22 jd = low flyer ? 19:46:49 (alcoholic beverage) 19:47:12 jack danniels :) 19:47:30 got it almost right then, 19:47:53 Talia`: where u from ? 19:48:04 I am from New York State, and yourself? 19:48:14 aha im FROM upstate ny hehe 19:48:19 bottle dup lift tilt liquid poor 19:48:20 im in indiana tho 19:48:21 fer now 19:48:35 hehe 19:49:13 haha, yeah...I was originally from Philadelphia, but I was too young to remember =) 19:49:25 --- topic: set to 'do drop >in - foot in yourself shoot' by I440r 19:49:35 :) 19:49:36 specifically, I am in Mt. Kisco...which is a stone throw from Chappaqua =) 19:50:12 liverpool/syracuse here... 19:50:21 but like i said im in indiana now 19:50:25 this is my adopted state 19:50:30 i get to carry a gun here 19:50:47 u can see my gun (one of em) on my ftp 19:51:06 sure, I would like to see it 19:51:08 =) 19:51:23 its a 1917 32 savage 19:51:37 i also got two 1911 45 acp's 19:51:41 a charls daley and a kimber :) 19:51:49 no fotos of those yet 19:51:53 ftp.purplecoder.com 19:52:07 its one of the jpg's in the ftp root 19:52:34 I really don't know anything about them, but I have always had enough interest in them that I know I will get around to them sometime 19:52:39 ftp = foot targeting practice 19:52:51 hehe 19:53:12 well lost of luck trying to get a permit in NY 19:54:04 well, yeah...I am especially lucky in that my residence belongs to the same district as the one Mr. Clinton moved into with his wife 19:54:08 so I am absolutely delighted 19:54:28 hyehehe 19:54:32 not that I have any problems with Mr. Clinton, but trying to get a permit will be next to impossible 19:54:41 he is never there tho eh 19:55:05 well he mite be now but his wife is gona be busy building up for a run for the white house in 4 years :P 19:55:11 gawd... 19:55:19 hey u wanna borrow my gun??? heheheh 19:56:02 use a slingshot and launch a neutron star 19:56:21 good thunking 19:56:41 haha, not a bad idea 19:56:53 although it would be a convenience to be legal 19:57:00 posession of neutron stars is not bound to permission yet 19:57:30 but the slingshot may do you 19:57:42 drop kick it 19:58:16 ####### Begin Echelon Block ####### anthrax black panthers C4 C5 C7 chemical weapons city assault clinton communist crack delta force FBI freedom M16 M60 marx militia oklahoma plutonium rifle roswell ruby ridge SDI terrorist TWA800 unabomber waco ####### End Echelon Block ####### 19:58:47 (my current mail sig) 19:59:14 l440r: are you by any chance in one of the pictures in the root directory? 19:59:40 erm ill check 19:59:44 im in /pub tho 20:00:59 yes im second from the left in there 20:00:59 linux is better than a town because /pub is open 24h/day 20:00:59 the one in the middle is a wooden man (mook jong) hehe 20:01:15 l440: cool! =) 20:01:44 muk jongg ? 20:01:44 hrm 20:02:24 i can never remember how u spell that :P 20:02:24 I don't know either. I have always wanted one, though. 20:03:33 lear wing chun 20:03:41 dont bother with bruce lees jeet kune do 20:03:49 it has little practical use except in the movies 20:04:40 well, I wanted something that was upright that I could beat the crap out of without installing it into the roof 20:05:11 seemed ok for that, if not always friendly to the hands 20:05:14 in wing chun you DOONT beat the crap out of it 20:05:20 its not designed to "toughen" you 20:05:22 I'd imagine =) 20:05:28 its meant to teach you correct movement 20:05:38 correct footwork 20:05:44 correct handwork 20:06:10 I am obviously a novice, so until I receive any kind of formal training, that's about what it will do for me :P 20:06:41 shows how much I know =) 20:06:51 :) 20:07:03 in wing chun you punch with the LOWER 3 knuckles 20:07:05 not the upper 2 20:07:36 yeah, quite contrary to the two or three years of the variant of shotokan (sp?) I had taken 20:07:53 but I don't consider that formal training, since I don't consider myself that good 20:08:30 I440r: followed links appear in the same color as the background color of your home page:) 20:08:31 also you punch with the fist vertical, not horizontal 20:08:42 Speuler: not to me 20:08:53 ur browser is fscked up :P 20:09:03 besides that needs tob e updated :P 20:09:51 l440: does that follow in line with the body's natural movement? what is the reason for the different ideas regarding the orientation of the fist? 20:10:01 http://www.purplecoder.com/image13.jpg 20:10:23 that's a gibson, isn't it ? 20:11:07 nope ibanez 20:11:11 Ibanez 440 radius 20:11:13 says "Ibanez" on the label 20:11:17 check out my nick 20:11:32 appropriate =) 20:12:31 same guitar joe satriani uses 20:12:33 :P~ 20:12:50 neat 20:13:02 I would imagine moderately expensive, right? 20:13:37 well 20:13:47 brand new at it would cost aboutr $800 20:14:03 oh, not that bad at all 20:14:09 i just baught my bro a $900 ibanez 20:14:22 less than a weeks wages for me at the time so 20:15:03 I wouldn't mind wages like that 20:15:40 that would surely pay for all of my needs 20:15:56 hehe 20:16:11 u code ? 20:16:11 how old r u 20:16:45 I am nineteen years of age 20:17:13 yes, I code primarily C, Igor Pro, and HMSL 20:17:23 hrm 20:17:26 although I am not very good at any one of them 20:17:28 :D 20:17:35 well i was gona give u the fone number for an agency 20:17:45 but, I am working at it, because what I want to do relies on my proficiency with it 20:17:51 what kind of agency? 20:18:00 technical recruiting agency 20:18:04 they find u a job 20:18:08 u drive 284396572896543978 miles 20:18:18 neat 20:18:18 live in shitty motels for $492785629 a nite 20:18:22 haha 20:18:23 and earn $92347523674 an hour 20:18:24 heh 20:18:50 well, actually...if they have other non-coding related jobs I would be actually rather interested 20:19:07 I don't consider myself fast enough to be able to work under a deadline 20:19:22 if I was, I woul be aiming for a coding job by now =) 20:19:47 :) 20:19:49 what sort fo shit do u code 20:20:12 well, primarily music-related applications for the macintosh...all of it quite customized around the hardware I own 20:20:53 the Forth work I do is with HMSL, which is a series of synthesis control extensions to HForth 20:21:07 it also acts as a scoring language due to the extensions 20:21:22 :) 20:22:17 I believe you had mentioned to me sometime back regarding what you used Forth for 20:22:38 a project regarding an older microprocessor, but don't remember exactly what it was 20:22:43 [sorry, bad memory] 20:22:47 i was doing on on 8051... 20:22:52 yeah, that's right =) 20:23:05 im writing an 8051 simulator so i can develop and debug it without needing the hardware 20:23:13 im also writing a REAL linux x86 forth compiler 20:23:16 erm 20:23:19 but thats on hold 20:23:22 cuz i got coders block 20:23:27 sounds great 20:23:32 will be 20:23:38 how far have you progressed with the first project? 20:25:22 the 8051 forth ? 20:26:04 i got the basic forth engine in place, need to start writing the basic kernel words and then i/o words and quit 20:26:13 isforth u can check out from the cvs 20:26:21 thers a link to it on isforth.sourceforge.net 20:29:25 sure, will do 20:29:29 sounds like its coming along 20:29:39 my project is still in the "planning stages" so far 20:32:06 it's basically a replacement voicing editor for a Fourier synthesizer called the Kurzweil 150 20:32:06 the original editor was written a number of years ago for the Apple II 20:32:09 wow sounds like maths to me hehe 20:32:13 and while I was by sheer luck able to obtain the source for it, I decided I would do a complete rewrite using considerably more modern hardware and expand the capabilities of the original editor 20:32:14 Talia`: do u use linux ? 20:32:31 well, I used to...that and OS/2...when I was running PC's 20:32:35 why do you ask? 20:33:17 i use nothing but these days 20:33:26 this machine is dual boot and so is my laptop 20:33:31 yeah, I can completely understand why 20:34:03 I was giving serious thought to setting up an additional dual-processor G4 system for number crunching 20:34:09 using Black Lab Linux 20:34:16 i use debian 20:34:21 i run a mirror of it here too 20:34:31 yeah, i use to use slackware 20:34:34 or would if va linux would fix their damned rsync server 20:34:35 grrr 20:34:43 my first distribution was what...I think it was kernel version 1.2.3 20:34:54 it was pretty funny 20:35:05 it was a year old when I actually using it, so it wasn't current at the time 20:35:12 using = was using 20:35:38 I stopped at using 2.0.34 I think...so it was pretty funny to see how each revision was almost like a total facelife 20:35:41 life = lift 20:35:41 =) 20:35:54 any reason you use debian over other distributions? 20:36:03 yes. 20:36:08 .deb 20:36:08 :D 20:36:12 best package managment there is 20:36:36 and when they give it the ability to apt-get the sou4rces for everything currently installed and do a local compile of everything it will be even better 20:36:37 I stuck with slackware simply because its what I started on, and later because I liked the idea that you could tear the whole thing down if you wanted to without causing too many problems 20:36:50 made maintenance easy, although certainly adhoc as you point out 20:36:59 yeah, it would 20:37:12 my dad used redhat 20:37:24 i can remember him going to the redhat ftp 20:37:30 looking at all the rpm versions there 20:38:11 haha 20:38:11 checking them against what he had installed 20:38:11 downloading what he wanted to upgrade 20:38:11 and figuring out all the dependancies manually 20:38:11 what a fscking pain 20:38:11 i just say apt-get update 20:38:11 wow, sounds like fun 20:38:25 I don't think I cared to make any updates except when something was in fact really broken 20:38:29 and apt downloads a bin file from the ftp that gives me a complete list of all packages and their versions 20:38:34 i can now say apt-get upgrade -f 20:38:40 beyond that, I was more or less tinkering rather than engaging in a host of serious projects 20:38:48 and everything on my system gets upgraded and all dependancies are fixed 20:38:55 yeah, very convenient 20:38:57 i run an ircd 20:38:58 ftp 20:38:59 www 20:39:01 --- join: ult (ultima@149.149.201.30) joined #forth 20:39:01 shell accounts 20:39:02 email 20:39:05 its fun :) 20:39:08 --- mode: I440r set mode: +o ult 20:39:13 you would think they would have picked up on that sometime back 20:39:27 yeah, it sounds like it 20:39:53 I may setup a FreeBSD box for a moderately small mailing list if I happen by some luck to get a DSL line 20:40:11 so, that will be a crash course in keeping a computer up 52 weeks a year =) 20:40:33 until a cpl of days ago i had a 53 day uptime 20:40:37 nice 20:40:37 but i had a TWO SECOND power out 20:40:46 ouch...time for a UPS 20:40:47 =) 20:40:50 hehe 20:41:14 I was going to get one for my main Mac (which i develop on) and a few synthesizers in addition to the server 20:41:33 because the synthesizers have floppy drives that don't take well to being abruptly curtailed in the middle of a read or write 20:41:38 in fact, it goes nuts 20:41:42 and damages disks =) 20:42:09 i once saw a program taht u downloaded to your commodore 64's floppy (1543 ?) 20:42:25 it would move the heads at different frequencies back and forth and play god save the queen 20:42:28 eek~! 20:42:33 haha 20:42:33 i440r: I remember that! 20:42:35 I am not sure I like that 20:42:42 :D 20:42:44 u know that one ult ??? 20:42:47 i ran it once 20:42:47 sounds really funny though 20:42:54 realised what it was doing and halted it 20:43:16 thats basically where i started doing embedded control however, 20:43:20 as much as I like the hardware and the applications, I HATE Mac OS 20:43:26 writing fast load routines on the c64 20:43:30 especially the new post system 7.X versions 20:43:56 yeah, I did some rudimentary floppy drive work under DOS 20:44:21 not the same 20:44:24 they didn't allow as much flexibility under the PC's from the sound of it 20:44:35 as they did with the C64's I mean 20:44:46 on the c64 the drive was inteligent, it had a 6502 in there 20:44:58 you could download asm code to the read/write buffers 20:45:01 and execute taht cide 20:45:02 code 20:45:07 yeah, not a "dumb" drive like you find on nearly all newer computers 20:45:13 step the heads by writing to ports 20:45:16 that's sweet 20:45:49 i was doing serial coms, embedded control all the shit they pay me to do now hehehe 20:45:57 the only Mac that I know of that had anything like that was the IIfx, which had 2 10 MHz 65c02's, but they kept the damn system closed 20:45:58 u could cheat with the serial coms too 20:46:06 so, no one knew what to do with all that extra functionality 20:46:08 you could use one of the control lines for data too 20:46:16 2 bit paralell realy 20:46:26 :) 20:46:28 neat 20:47:22 even to this day, Apple keeps ALL of their systems closed 20:47:46 so even owners of the 512K they bought back in 1984 don't know what the hell to do with it except with the internal Toolbox ROM routines 20:47:56 that's one reason the mac really sucks 20:48:06 as nice as a lot of the stuff they put on it :P 20:48:14 it = it is 20:48:38 if it hadn't been for my musical work, I probably wouldn't be on a mac for just that reason 20:49:06 but, the support for MIDI and audio libraries (forget decent applications) is a joke for most underdog OS's 20:49:06 =) 20:49:46 I wish I had been keen enough when I was young to work the C64 20:50:01 I think I would have liked that, although probably wouldn't do quite the things with it like you did 20:50:25 young = really young 20:50:26 =) 20:50:35 :) 20:50:57 what was the machine you chose after the C64? 20:51:15 did you move to an Amiga or something similiar, or go directly to the PC? 20:51:54 hmmm 20:51:56 amiga 20:52:08 well 20:52:18 pc/amiga at same time realy 20:52:32 neat...you did a lot of 68K work? 20:52:45 or was it too short-lived? 20:53:10 i loved the 68k 20:53:12 i still do 20:53:55 yeah, I haven't done too much assembler coding in it yet, but I will shortly 20:54:23 some of the macs I intend on supporting, as well as the Kurzweil 150's main microprocessor are all 68K's of some kind 20:54:43 life begins at 68040 20:54:46 it seems really neat 20:54:48 fun begins at 68050 20:54:53 senility begins at x86 20:55:14 after looking at the 68K and the PowerPC, I really began wondering about the x86 20:55:39 I did some assembler coding for 80286's and a little Z80, which are quite similiar in a lot of ways 20:55:52 I wish I had gotten into 68K instead :P 20:56:49 i never nearned z80 20:56:54 6502 is much better 20:57:02 and you could patch the microcode on that too 20:57:14 u can supposedly do the same with more modern processors now too... 20:57:41 yeah, I own a Kaypro 2X which I use as my "travel computer" which uses one...and one of my synthesizers has five of them....fortunately I don't intend to program the latter unit 20:58:37 well, I have to brush up on 6502 code, because to do a proper port that predicts the quirks and behaviours of the 150 I really should work off of some of the code used in the Apple II editor 20:58:54 which is of course, about 800K of 6502 code 20:59:03 I am glad I decided not to try to port that 20:59:31 half of it appears to be code to deal with the odd memory mapping used in the Apple II 21:00:07 so, sometimes you can't tell what he is trying to do, and then you discover it has absolutely nothing to do with the actual function of the 150 itself...but the apple II 21:00:25 so, not entirely fun to go through that =) 21:00:28 :) 21:00:31 6502 rox 21:00:38 i learned it in 2 weeks 21:00:42