Subj : Re: moving or not was: C To : Barry Martin From : Nancy Backus Date : Thu Feb 27 2020 02:00:24 -=> Quoting Barry Martin to Nancy Backus on 22-Feb-2020 09:34 <=- NB>>> I've tried some others, but haven't been all that successful with NB>>> them, like the fractions and the cents symbol... I think the NB>>> degree symbol is just a fluke, actually... BM>>> Flukes are how some discoveries were found! Here ALT_248 is ø, BM>>> ALT_155 is ›. ALT 171 and 172 are « ¬, respectively. NB>>> « ¬ Ok, those two also work... but ALT_155 gives '[key not NB>>> bound]' on the command line and beeps at me.... BM>> Well that makes no sense! (ALT_155 is ›, cents sign, sounds like....) NB>> Agreed. But that's the way it is.... BM> Or at least for now. And unless you need to use the cents symbol BM> sufficiently often no real need to sweetly ask The Wizard to fix it. Pretty much there's not a lot of call for it... :) BM>> The "not bound" error does sort of give a clue: somewhere that key BM>> combination isn't listed in the table to create a cents symbol. At BM>> this point I couldn't guess where, and it's going to be a Wizard Job -- BM>> easy to do, just harder to find. Plus probably not worth it unless you BM>> were to use the symbol often. NB>> I generally just write the word 'cents'.... It shows it fine, and if NB>> I do a copy-paste, I can make it happen... › (that was [Esc space] NB>> (mark) at the sign, [Esc W] (cut) just after the sign, and then Ctrl-Y NB>> to copy it into the message at that point)... But I can't directly NB>> make that sign.... So the sign itself is valid in this editor, just NB>> not the keystrokes to make it... BM> Right: I've done that also -- and sometimes easier to copy in than BM> find the character in the tables. OK, that's not phrased right: I have BM> a sheet with the unicode codes for frequently used characters; there is BM> an electronic version, so I could copy and paste the character instead BM> of using the unicode. At one point, I'd copied a few symbols to a textfile that I could access if needed... now I forget what I called it... But part of the problem is that I don't really need them all that often... BM>>> Whatever key combination gives you the degree symbol should give BM>>> others, but of course computers tend to like to show us humans who's BM>>> boss, or at least not passively complying and some keystrokes BM>>> will be used for other functions, like 'pi' will show up here in the BM>>> body but in the tagline will do a . NB>>> So I just tried the ALT_227, and it does give a pi character... NB>>> but I deleted it just in case it also does the thingy.... BM>> (Thinking odd pi works but cents does not.) NB>> Yup, I was thinking the same thing.... BM> That's where stuff starts getting convoluted and sometimes a hare BM> confusing. :) Par for the course when it comes to computers... BM>> As for removing the pi symbol, good idea! In taglines, or at least BM>> in "DOS Mode Taglines" pi does get interpreted as LF>; as for BM>> in the text/message body IIRC sometimes it does and sometimes BM>> will, dependant display on the word processor. I think with WordPad BM>> and Notepad one will display pi and one will not. NB>> Mine seemed to display it as pi... but I didn't leave it in to see NB>> what it would do when it was a finished reply in the packet.... ;) BM> Mine also displays: just tested but deleted. IIRC some BBS software BM> really gets upset when it sees a pi character in the text body. No reason to take chances... :) BM>> ...Control_G put my LA50 dot matrix printer in BM>> graphics mode -- found that when someone used it in a tagline: BM>> printing out his message was fine but if I needed to print a second BM>> message it came out as garbage. Not recalling what CTRL_G displays; BM>> found it puts up the Find (Search) task bar in Firefox, thought was BM>> just CTRL_F! ...Not finding what symbol his CTRL_G created. NB>> In my editor, Ctrl-G aborts whatever command you just (probably NB>> erroneously) entered... like if I were to do a Ctrl-U, it puts up NB>> Arg: 4 which would repeat whatever I was about to paste in 4 times... NB>> so if I meant to do the Ctrl-Y and got that instead, I'd quick do the NB>> Ctrl-G, and then do the proper paste... Ctrl-F does do a search NB>> in browse for me, I don't think it does anything here in Emacs... :) BM> Why there are some odd occurrances when people switch from one piece BM> of software to another! Yup, the magic spells aren't always identical from one to the other... :) NB>>>> Another reason not to stray too far into that territory... BM>>> Well we know 'Pandora' isn't your middle name! NB>>> That's for sure... or if it is, it's AFTER she learned her lesson NB>>> not to be too curious... and released the last bit, Hope, to NB>>> mitigate things a bit... ;) BM>> Hope Hope is able to fix most of those problems! NB>> If I recall the myth properly, it at least made it so people could NB>> survive despite all those ills unleashed upon the earth.... :) BM> Probably right, especially with Hope coming out of the box, or I think BM> she was inside. It's been probably fifty-five years since I read BM> Greek mythology. Yup, she was still in the box... BM>>> ... Early to bed and early to rise is first in the bathroom. NB>>> Only works when no one is getting up in the middle of the night NB>>> for their bathroom stumbles... BM>> Obviously that tagline was written by someone under 50! NB>> Or had more than one teenage child.... BM> I remember setting my alarm clock for five minutes later so I didn't BM> have to wait for the girls to get out of the bathroom. (So we added BM> the Master Bedroom suite _after_ they moved out -- uh-huh!! ) Interesting timing, to be sure... ;) We have two baths, one upstairs and one down... upstairs is just a tub, down is just a shower... both with toilet and sink... BM> ... How long a minute is depends on what side of bathroom door you're BM> on. How true...! ;) ttyl neb .... Good Intentions Paving Company - We did the road to Hell. --- EzyBlueWave V3.00 01FB001F * Origin: Tiny's BBS - http://www.tinysbbs.com (454:1/452) .